COVID-19

[triumph_communes]

3 hours ago, Zamboni said:

The problem from where I stand is posters can’t just say a politicians name. They have to be immature and call them a slang or insult. Get your point across in a factual way without the immature slangs or insulting terms and maybe just maybe more posts will stay. Posters points get muddled and loses it’s effect when one feels it oh so necessary to include that garbage. Just share your factual points without name calling, insults, and slangs for politicians. It’s not that hard. For some ... Jeez.

 

For people whose politics is really just emotional confirmation—- they can’t separate it. 

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, triumph_communes said:

Every year they multiply the reported flu cases by orders of magnitude to account for those who never even went to the doctor over it, or even realized they had it.  This is no different.  "From every indication" is a total lie.

I'm not so worried about the every indication statement because we all speak in generalizations from time to time. More focused on the the statistical side. It depends on what you're pulling your data from and what you're pulling your data for.

For example, I woke up warm (maybe a light fever) with a sore throat. The throat has lingered for an entire week and I still don't feel 100%. But nothing else. I know a whole bunch of people here in Seattle who have felt crummy in some capacity for at least a day or two since Jan 1st. Were any of them COVID? Maybe. Was anyone I know directly tested? Not to my knowledge. We all just hope we don't spread it to someone compromised and if we get it or got it, that we get by without much fuss. The statistics have to account for all of that.

To compare (and my apologies Grandma, for being glib. RIP,  Grandma!), my grandmother passed in January. Now, did she die from leukemia with which she was diagnosed in Q3 2019? Or did she die from the cold/flu that became pneumonia in 2020? Or... did she die because she said she never wanted to get to 100, and 2020 rolled around she said "the hell with this" to it all and stopped eating and got sick, which led to being moved to hospice where she died within a week? She made it to a sassy 99 and 10 months, and she'd very likely want us all to think she died of old age. So which statistical category does she get? Everything can vary depending on a certain point of view.

 

[nfreeman]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

 

I really hate the word "lie" here.  This sort of word choice is why we cannot have good conversations on social media.  Lie implies a level of intended misrepresentation that I seriously doubt PA intends.  There is no reason to assume the worst.  Instead of lie, a less confrontational and less accusatory word is better used here.

Abso-freakin-lutely.  

[Indabuff]

2 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

So which statistical category does she get? Everything can vary depending on a certain point of view.

 

My condolences.  Sounds like she passed away after living life to the fullest.  

[Indabuff]

And to all of you in the medical field combating this or those that are directly associated with fighting this ***** show keep punching it in the ***** mouth.  

[Wyldnwoody44]

An update from a colleague outside of Detroit, today they had to intubate 15 patients, many under 50 years old, due to suspected Covid. 

This is the first I'm hearing of such large numbers from a source that I am familiar with. 

I'll be keeping an eye out for what happens in the coming days. 

[Claude_Verret]

42 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

An update from a colleague outside of Detroit, today they had to intubate 15 patients, many under 50 years old, due to suspected Covid. 

This is the first I'm hearing of such large numbers from a source that I am familiar with. 

I'll be keeping an eye out for what happens in the coming days. 

Thanks for keeping all of us updated with your evidence from the trenches.

[bunomatic]

[PerreaultForever]

16 hours ago, triumph_communes said:

And that's why the US testing is behind.  1) CDC declared a monopoly on testing then 2) contaminated their control.  Anything you see about the US being behind is pure political pandering unless they are blaming the red tape.

This is blatantly false..........but I can't say anything "political." so that's all I will say. 

[Tondas]

6 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

This is blatantly false..........but I can't say anything "political." so that's all I will say. 

I remember the day when facts were facts and politics was politics.  Now the line is so intentionally blurred, it's hard for some to distinguish between the two. 

[PerreaultForever]

Don't interpret this as "politics" it is rather intended as a little levity during a difficult time. The Corona & Lime joke at the very end had me literally laughing out loud.

 

[Weave]

Twitter post I came across this morning.  This guy is an epidemiologist associated with Harvard and John Hopkins.  Look at the graph for the US.  So far it is steeper, longer than any other country on that graph.

 

Eric Feigl-Ding

@DrEricDing

US now accelerating upwards and outpacing all other countries in epidemic exponential growth. (Note log Y Axis: linear = exponential). USA is gonna be dubiously #1 at this rate. But IMHO TESTING+CONTACT TRACING+QUARANT is more important than approaches which only slow.#COVID19

[FogBat]

I had to go up I-81 North twice this week. I observed a higher than usual amount of license plates from cars, RVs, and campers heading northbound with Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia on them. None of them were heading South.

 

Then, I went up the 390 from the 86. A couple of drivers chatted on the CB and mentioned that crossing the border at the Peace Bridge was a breeze. I was like, "Wow".

[ubkev]

I've officially filed for unemployment. The casino has gone dark. The doors are locked, no one is allowed in the building. Not one soul. I look forward to all the mandatory job searching, drug tests, interviews and so on. This ***** sucks! My wife has had a fever since Monday. She can't go back to work until she's below 99.6 for 3 days in a row. I have no source of income at all, and I won't see half of what I make through an unemployment check for another 4 weeks if I'm lucky. 

I'm gonna give it a few weeks, then I'm pulling my 401k, spending to my limits on my credit cards, faking my own death and moving to Norway.

ok, my spoiled baby hissy fit is over now.

[Brawndo]

New York State is predicting that Erie County New York Peak will occur between April 5-12.

[French Collection]

34 minutes ago, Crosschecking said:

I had to go up I-81 North twice this week. I observed a higher than usual amount of license plates from cars, RVs, and campers heading northbound with Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia on them. None of them were heading South.

 

Then, I went up the 390 from the 86. A couple of drivers chatted on the CB and mentioned that crossing the border at the Peace Bridge was a breeze. I was like, "Wow".

Canadian government wants all residents to come back.

Health insurance coverage ending is a big driver of the exodus. I have heard different end dates but March 23rd is a common one.

[Stoner]

12 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

New York State is predicting that Erie County New York Peak will occur between April 5-12.

That actually sounds somewhat encouraging. Would you agree?

Will places where the virus hasn't hit yet have a later peak?

[WildCard]

18 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

New York State is predicting that Erie County New York Peak will occur between April 5-12.

So same for Monroe County?

Edited March 21, 2020 by WildCard

[Stoner]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

Twitter post I came across this morning.  This guy is an epidemiologist associated with Harvard and John Hopkins.  Look at the graph for the US.  So far it is steeper, longer than any other country on that graph.

 

Eric Feigl-Ding

@DrEricDing

US now accelerating upwards and outpacing all other countries in epidemic exponential growth. (Note log Y Axis: linear = exponential). USA is gonna be dubiously #1 at this rate. But IMHO TESTING+CONTACT TRACING+QUARANT is more important than approaches which only slow.#COVID19

At this point, in areas where it's rampant, how do you contact trace?

[Zamboni]

4 minutes ago, WildCard said:

So same for Monroe County?

I would imagine yes. If not, a day or two shift.

[Stoner]

TIL (from NYS DEC):

Forests Make Us Healthier

Numerous studies in the U.S. and around the world are exploring the health benefits of spending time outside in nature, green spaces, and, specifically, forests. Recognizing those benefits, in 1982, the Japanese Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries even coined a term for it: shinrin-yoku. It means taking in the forest atmosphere or "forest bathing," and the ministry encourages people to visit forests to relieve stress and improve health.

Research is casting light on how spending time outdoors and in forests makes us healthier:

Exposure to forests boosts our immune system. While we breathe in the fresh air, we breathe in phytoncides, airborne chemicals that plants give off to protect themselves from insects. Phytoncides have antibacterial and antifungal qualities which help plants fight disease. When people breathe in these chemicals, our bodies respond by increasing the number and activity of a type of white blood cell called natural killer cells or NK. These cells kill tumor- and virus-infected cells in our bodies. In one study, increased NK activity from a 3-day, 2-night forest bathing trip lasted for more than 30 days. Japanese researchers are currently exploring whether exposure to forests can help prevent certain kinds of cancer.

[FogBat]

44 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Canadian government wants all residents to come back.

Health insurance coverage ending is a big driver of the exodus. I have heard different end dates but March 23rd is a common one.

Still, truckers are crossing the border. Not a complaint. Just an observation that needs to no explanation.

[Brawndo]

35 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

That actually sounds somewhat encouraging. Would you agree?

Will places where the virus hasn't hit yet have a later peak?

It is, but the quarantine will probably remain in effect until Late April, Early May, 

It will be interesting to compare States that have gone into more of a Full Lockdown such as California and New York to those that haven’t.

30 minutes ago, WildCard said:

So same for Monroe County?

I imagine so, unfortunately I only get Erie County Updates. 
 

Buffalo General Hospital converted another floor to a Covid Unit for non ICU cases. 

[FogBat]

I'm not trying to read anything into this. I just think it's a coincidence that the topic this month's issue of Tabletalk magazine is about Fear. Granted, it's not just about fear of a pandemic. It deals with Fear on other issues. Nonetheless, it does show hope in the midst of Fear.

 

https://tabletalkmagazine.com/issue/2020/03/fear/

[Weave]

Just returned from grocery shopping.  What a stressful experience.  I'm somewhat anti-social normally.  This was a different kind of stress though.  I just felt like I needed to rush in and rush out as more of a survival mechanism.  Everyone was glancing at everyone else with a look of distrust.  Almost no eye contact.  It was very different than the usual western NY friendliness that is usually apparent.

At least toilet paper is back on the shelves.  Meat and frozen foods, not a chance.

The BJ's we go to had someone at the door dosing out hand sanitizer to everyone that came in, and hit every shopping cart handle with a Clorox wipe.  Of course, they were also sold out of sanitizer and Clorox wipes......

When this whole thing was just starting we bought a bulk pack of TP just in case we ended up under quarantine and couldn't get out.  I didn't think about hand sanitizer, and now I can't find any (not that I looked hard.  I'm not making extra stops).  I would have loved a bottle of hand sanitizer in my vehicle when I came out of the store.  Time to fire up the Google machine and find a recipe.