COVID-19

[SwampD]

13 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Quotes from multiple Sheriffs with the same view : https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/17/us/sheriffs-ignore-cuomo-executive-order-trnd/index.html

 

Fantastic article on Cuomo; his COVID response, his upbringing, his battles with DeBlasio, etc. Let's just say Cuomo really likes stroking his own ego, that's really 99% of his COVID response.  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/andrew-cuomo-the-king-of-new-york

 

 

Anyone who thinks they are going to get arrested for having more than ten people over for Thanksgiving is an idiot.

With that said, anyone who has more than ten people over for Thanksgiving is an idiot.

[Zamboni]

Who came up with 10? Why not 9? Why not 8? Why not 11? Why not 12? 
😂

Why even bother with a number to begin with?

[Wyldnwoody44]

4 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

Who came up with 10? Why not 9? Why not 8? Why not 11? Why not 12? 
😂

Why even bother with a number to begin with?

The same reason things have to close at 10PM. Didn't you know, Covid hibernates until 10PM, but if you're out at 10:01, watch out, you may catch the sniffles. 

[LTS]

16 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

 

PA Department of Health

 

@PAHealthDept

Strengthening masking order. Masks are still required. Indoors: masks now required anytime you’re with people outside of your household, even if you’re socially distant. Applies to all indoor facilities + if you have people in your home not part of your household

10:33 AM · Nov 17, 2020

 

 

 

I'll say this.  When I was in Pittsburgh two weeks ago masks were not being enforced, not by a long shot. Even when asked, the one hotel did nothing to enforce it basically saying they could not. I don't think PA is any different than anywhere else.  Enforcement in NY only works because they threaten the businesses, but that really only works with some businesses, places like hotels aren't going to care.  I still see some people walking through stores without masks. I see people in the gym not wearing them properly so they might as well not be wearing them.  

Bottom line, this is why NYS basically shuts things down, because people aren't going to comply, some businesses are not going to enforce, and ultimately you are left with shut down the business and we're all impacted at that point.

1 hour ago, Zamboni said:

Who came up with 10? Why not 9? Why not 8? Why not 11? Why not 12? 
😂

Why even bother with a number to begin with?

Everything has to be defined at some point.  Why not 11 or 12 is a fair question... but if you are going to define a rule.. you need to define the applicability of that rule.

Why do bars close at 2am?  4am?  midnight? (even without COVID)?

Theoretically there is some science behind the limit... not sure there is here, but they had to define something.

[SwampD]

5 minutes ago, LTS said:

I'll say this.  When I was in Pittsburgh two weeks ago masks were not being enforced, not by a long shot. Even when asked, the one hotel did nothing to enforce it basically saying they could not. I don't think PA is any different than anywhere else.  Enforcement in NY only works because they threaten the businesses, but that really only works with some businesses, places like hotels aren't going to care.  I still see some people walking through stores without masks. I see people in the gym not wearing them properly so they might as well not be wearing them.  

Bottom line, this is why NYS basically shuts things down, because people aren't going to comply, some businesses are not going to enforce, and ultimately you are left with shut down the business and we're all impacted at that point.

Everything has to be defined at some point.  Why not 11 or 12 is a fair question... but if you are going to define a rule.. you need to define the applicability of that rule.

Why do bars close at 2am?  4am?  midnight? (even without COVID)?

Theoretically there is some science behind the limit... not sure there is here, but they had to define something.

And we, as is our right, as Americans, get to complain about that definition.

[spndnchz]

And.... we’re Orange

[SwampD]

4 minutes ago, spndnchz said:

And.... we’re Orange

What does this mean?

Nevermind. Just listening on WGR.

Edited November 18, 2020 by SwampD

[Eleven]

5 minutes ago, spndnchz said:

And.... we’re Orange

I thought we were supposed to keep him out of this thread.

[Zamboni]

3 hours ago, Eleven said:

I thought we were supposed to keep him out of this thread.

Are we? Unless it’s now ok to bring in the dictator of NY as well. Can we do that now? 

[Eleven]

15 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

Are we? Unless it’s now ok to bring in the dictator of NY as well. Can we do that now? 

One of the two posts in question was a joke.  Maybe not a great joke, but one that got a few people to laugh.  And we kind of need laughter right now in a COVID thread.

The other is politics.  Happy to discuss in the appropriate space; I'd also be happy to discuss here, but not allowed.

[spndnchz]

Stop it. 

[SwampD]

3 minutes ago, spndnchz said:

Stop it. 

C’mon. You can’t deny that he is orange.

[spndnchz]

1 minute ago, SwampD said:

C’mon. You can’t deny that he is orange.

Can we please not get into this here. My pm and mailbox are full. 
 

You know where to stick it if you want to discuss colors. 

[SwampD]

Just now, spndnchz said:

Can we please not get into this here. My pm and mailbox are full. 
 

You know where to stick it if you want to discuss colors. 

Eleven made a funny joke.

Zamboni definitely has something stuck somewhere because if it.

Cant we all just get along?

[Zamboni]

1 minute ago, SwampD said:

Eleven made a funny joke.

Zamboni definitely has something stuck somewhere because if it.

Cant we all just get along?

C’mon! Dictator is funny too! 😂 sense of humor!

[SwampD]

3 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

C’mon! Dictator is funny too! 😂 sense of humor!

Dictator is a funny word.

[Eleven]

7 hours ago, spndnchz said:

Can we please not get into this here. My pm and mailbox are full. 
 

You know where to stick it if you want to discuss colors. 

New thread started.

Yes I am quarantining and yes I am bored nearly to death.

[That Aud Smell]

I've never seen any science about K-12 schools being a factor in community spread. I'm therefore left confused as to why closing the schools is part of the strategy in NYS's orange designations. If there's science out there to support it, please do let me know. 

Anecdotally, I saw that the NYC schools had a positivity rate of like .25%. I also know that my kid's high school (which was until quite recently in-person 5 days a week) has had 6 cases so far this semester, none of which have been determined to have resulted in community spread within the school.

Yet again on the other hand, that same high school had elected to go virtual of its own accord for a week's time because so many of the students and faculty were being required to quarantine owing to close contacts within or without the school.

[Ducky]

Five people allowed in the house that do not live there is the law here now.

Masks are mandatory indoors...Bars are closed and restaurants can only do pick up and delivery...gyms, casinos, libraries, movie theaters, beauty salons etc... are closed.

Manitoba had about 9 days in a row without a case in July and now we are the worst in the country per 100,000 people.

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, Ducky said:

Five people allowed in the house that do not live there is the law here now.

Masks are mandatory indoors...Bars are closed and restaurants can only do pick up and delivery...gyms, casinos, libraries, movie theaters, beauty salons etc... are closed.

Manitoba had about 9 days in a row without a case in July and now we are the worst in the country per 100,000 people.

The laws of exponential growth are inevitable. WNY is finding this out right now. 

[LTS]

22 hours ago, SwampD said:

And we, as is our right, as Americans, get to complain about that definition.

That's right.

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

I've never seen any science about K-12 schools being a factor in community spread. I'm therefore left confused as to why closing the schools is part of the strategy in NYS's orange designations. If there's science out there to support it, please do let me know. 

Anecdotally, I saw that the NYC schools had a positivity rate of like .25%. I also know that my kid's high school (which was until quite recently in-person 5 days a week) has had 6 cases so far this semester, none of which have been determined to have resulted in community spread within the school.

Yet again on the other hand, that same high school had elected to go virtual of its own accord for a week's time because so many of the students and faculty were being required to quarantine owing to close contacts within or without the school.

It's another one of those decisions that makes you wonder why it was made.  At best I think your last point is part of the reason. They close the schools because they fear that an outbreak in schools is the ultimate black eye. As such, if so many kids are being expose because of close contacts its best to close the schools just in case.  But, the impacts to kids are immense.  At least our school district is one week on and one week off (half the student body alternates each week).  My kids (13 and 16) are concerned about school's shutting down.. it is taking a huge toll psychologically on them.

 

My son's hockey team is dealing with a COVID case and its amazing how poorly it has been handled. Not from the quarantine perspective. But basically they sent a generic statement with no information to the team. Everyone was left wondering when exposure might have occurred. Most people chose to skip practice the night the information came out and did not notify the coach. The coach in turn got pissed and called everyone "snowflakes" (he actually used more colorful language) and canceled practices next week so everyone can be "safe".  Then, last night we got the information from the parent of the child and said that the DOH had determined that no one on our team would have been considered at risk for exposure from contact.

It's like a microcosm of society where you have some families all panicked over possible exposure (they traveled to Pittsburgh for two tournaments in the past month though) and then a coach who basically called everyone stupid for having concerns. I happened to agree with the coach (not his approach however or his cancellation of practices).  People are exposed all the time.  The player on our team was asymptomatic.

And that's what it boils down to for me.  If you have faith that you are following protocols and that you don't hang around those who are not then you should not be worried. If you are worried despite that, then you should probably not be in public because you will be exposed in some way. There's no right answer except the one you feel comfortable with. However, if you follow protocols and still find out someone you may have been around gets COVID and you react the way the people on our team did, you should probably re-examine what you are comfortable with in the first place.

 

[Stoner]

We don't believe in experts anymore. We know better. People who know more can't possibly be making the right decisions.

As for orange once it's back in the private sector all bets are off on discussing it, right?

[LGR4GM]

15 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

We don't believe in experts anymore. We know better. People who know more can't possibly be making the right decisions.

 

16 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

As for orange once it's back in the private sector all bets are off on discussing it, right?

Lol, not likely. 

[Stoner]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

 

Lol, not likely. 

It'll be an interesting challenge. Like taking an appeal to the Supreme Court. That of course is higher than SDS even.

[That Aud Smell]

2 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

We don't believe in experts anymore. We know better. People who know more can't possibly be making the right decisions.

I recognize this as a huge problem for a big segment of our society.

OTOH, I am also waiting for the science/data that compels the closing of schools. The virus is rampaging through U.S. populations, to be sure, but I've not been shown that this is happening, in part, because schools are open.

My theory: The spread is almost entirely due to things (activities, choices) that our governments cannot control or reach (whether legally and/or practically).

Edited November 19, 2020 by That Aud Smell