COVID-19

[Indabuff]

20 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Someone help me with this. The social isolation measures make sense and probably will have to be ramped up (shut down air travel, restrict travel in some areas, make certain businesses close, like restaurants, bars, non essential retail stores, movie theaters and the like). But that can't last forever. When things get back to normal, what's going to stop the virus from starting to spread again?
 

I believe viruses need hosts to survive.  I would assume that once the virus makes its way through the last of the infected hosts (if contained) it can no longer survive. 

[darksabre]

25 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Someone help me with this. The social isolation measures make sense and probably will have to be ramped up (shut down air travel, restrict travel in some areas, make certain businesses close, like restaurants, bars, non essential retail stores, movie theaters and the like). But that can't last forever. When things get back to normal, what's going to stop the virus from starting to spread again?
 

That's basically the issue and the reason for all the hubbub. Because it's a new version of a coronavirus the medical community isn't sure what is going to happen with it. Maybe it just ends up being like the normal flu and subsides with warmer weather? They don't know yet. So idea is to try to slow the spread until they can figure out just how likely it is to either end or reemerge, and to buy capacity for hospitals and time for researchers working on vaccines. 

[Claude_Verret]

12 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Someone help me with this. The social isolation measures make sense and probably will have to be ramped up (shut down air travel, restrict travel in some areas, make certain businesses close, like restaurants, bars, non essential retail stores, movie theaters and the like). But that can't last forever. When things get back to normal, what's going to stop the virus from starting to spread again?
 

We are past the point of no return in terms of widespread infection nationwide, as you've heard these measures are in place to hopefully flatten the curve and prevent the healthcare system from being stretched to its limits and beyond. Hopefully it will work to flatten the curve overall, but we are going to see reported cases rise dramatically this week. I have little hope that the overreaction and hysteria has any hope of subsiding with the coming spike.

There are two factors that immediately come to mind that should help limit mass spread of the virus once measures are relaxed.

1.) We are approaching the end of the peak time period when traditional respiratory viruses spread (influenza, rsv etc.) Respiratory viruses do not spread as readily when the weather turns warmer and theres no reason to think this novel coranovirus will behave differently in that regard.

2.) As more of the population becomes exposed and infected with the vast majority having mild symptoms that dont require medical treatment (or testing) they will have mounted an immune response to the infection and will therefore be far, far less likely to become infected if challenged with another covid19 virus exposure. Naturally immunized by live virus challenge.

 

This is again not meant to minimize the threat. This is a big deal and should be concerning on a population scale, even though it should not pose much of threat to many people individually. 

 

[#freejame]

I watched a documentary last night called Outbreak and I really think we should be a little concerned about our government. 

[Stoner]

53 minutes ago, Indabuff said:

I believe viruses need hosts to survive.  I would assume that once the virus makes its way through the last of the infected hosts (if contained) it can no longer survive. 

TIL about herd immunity. No, this is not the protection Bills fans who pee outside have against developing a UTI. It's the idea that not everyone in a population has to develop immunity. If enough people have the disease and develop immunity, the virus finds it harder and harder to locate a host and starts to peter out. (I would modestly propose that all of the young people who aren't concerned about the virus should be injected with it so herd immunity can be established. You first, kiddo.)

I think the jist of my concern above was that maybe we are preventing this herd immunity from taking hold.

All that said, I *think* I heard an "expert" on TV say today he wasn't sure if having coronavirus would prevent you from getting it again. Soooo much information out there, at once a blessing and a curse.

[Scottysabres]

Just got word, meeting tomorrow morning at my employer, subject, taking a couple weeks off.

Also, my sister in law did treat a patient at Millard Suburban this past week that tested positive, her family is now on quarantine. No contact for my family.

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, #freejame said:

I watched a documentary last night called Outbreak and I really think we should be a little concerned about our government. 

Documentary or the movie?

[nfreeman]

1 hour ago, #freejame said:

I watched a documentary last night called Outbreak and I really think we should be a little concerned about our government. 

Take this to the politics club please.

[#freejame]

19 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Documentary or the movie?

You’re saying they’re not one of the same? That’s not what my Uber driver told me

17 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

Take this to the politics club please.

[ubkev]

So, my casino has decided to take advantage of all the other casinos in the state and surrounding states closing and we're staying open! Awesome, right? *****!!

Just spent 20 minutes yelling at my father and I didn't even make a dent. He waited for me to inhale and said "welp, here's your mother." Yeah, I love you too Dad. Hopefully I'll get to see you again. If the virus makes it to The Villages the real estate market in Florida is going to boom. These ***** people are still partying every damn day and night. 

All of this after my new car just got hit. 

Wild Turkey is in season and I'm ***** killing one!

[North Buffalo]

Nother pt at one of the hospitals i work at in critical, gonna get worse before it gets better. Also nother doc down with it that makes 4 that i am aware of.  Cancelled elective surgeries at my wife's hospital. ? 

Edited March 15, 2020 by North Buffalo

[DarthEbriate]

3 minutes ago, ubkev said:

Wild Turkey is in season and I'm ***** killing one!

(But, please do stay hydrated)

 

From sunny Seattle, I will report that although sequestered in my cell in the detention area (aka working remote/staying home), I got a sore throat all the same. Is it it? Who knows. But the sore throat was there Friday, weakened, went down to nothing Saturday, and is now back a little bit on Sunday. I intend to kick its ass (again, if it is it) and make mention of power (play) converters again next season and three or four many seasons thereafter.

Alas, if all goes the way of the Death Star, I vow to Force-Moulson-Ehrhoff-Ghost all the game day threads with many a Star Wars quote until we win a Cup.

[kas23]

4 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Someone help me with this. The social isolation measures make sense and probably will have to be ramped up (shut down air travel, restrict travel in some areas, make certain businesses close, like restaurants, bars, non essential retail stores, movie theaters and the like). But that can't last forever. When things get back to normal, what's going to stop the virus from starting to spread again?
 

It could. This is why China has yet to go back to life as usual. They are still largely under self-quarantine. Social distances is really just buying us time until factors such as ambient temperature and our ability to deal with sick patients (either via extra bed space, medicine, or a vaccine) changes. There will also be increased “heard immunity” (People who have been infected and developed immunity) as time goes on. What is likely to occur is a switch to the Southern Hemisphere. But, it will likely be back, but we’ll then be much more ready. 

[kas23]

4 hours ago, Claude_Verret said:

We are past the point of no return in terms of widespread infection nationwide, as you've heard these measures are in place to hopefully flatten the curve and prevent the healthcare system from being stretched to its limits and beyond. Hopefully it will work to flatten the curve overall, but we are going to see reported cases rise dramatically this week. I have little hope that the overreaction and hysteria has any hope of subsiding with the coming spike.

There are two factors that immediately come to mind that should help limit mass spread of the virus once measures are relaxed.

1.) We are approaching the end of the peak time period when traditional respiratory viruses spread (influenza, rsv etc.) Respiratory viruses do not spread as readily when the weather turns warmer and theres no reason to think this novel coranovirus will behave differently in that regard.

2.) As more of the population becomes exposed and infected with the vast majority having mild symptoms that dont require medical treatment (or testing) they will have mounted an immune response to the infection and will therefore be far, far less likely to become infected if challenged with another covid19 virus exposure. Naturally immunized by live virus challenge.

 

This is again not meant to minimize the threat. This is a big deal and should be concerning on a population scale, even though it should not pose much of threat to many people individually. 

 

While MERS and SARS do show seasonality, however these (mostly MERS) pop up at any time of the year. Here’s a good read detailing how this infection will eventually be limited. Your #2 is probably going to be the most important. 
 

https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/will-covid-19-go-away-on-its-own-in-warmer-weather/

[Neo]

Our family is affected.  My daughter-in-law has symptoms.  She’s 29 and healthy.   Because of her youth and health, her physician said she won’t be tested.  She has been asked to self-quarantine at home.  My son’s xompany told him to do the same thing after he alerted them.  Two weeks.  I suspect many of us will have stories soon.

He’ll be paid.  She doesn’t work.  The two goof balls live in a wonderful shoe box sized home with five, yes five, kids seven and under.  Oh, and two dogs.  I can’t imagine.  My wife cancelled her visit to see them over spring break just a few days ago, thinking something like this was possible.  A good move, in hindsight.

I’m learning that self-quarantine is a nebulous term.  My daughter-in-law received little instruction and no rules or regulations.  Be safe, be smart, wash your hands and sleep alone.

This system we live in is fragile.  Science and technology have insulated us from this truism.  From time. to time, nature reminds us how vulnerable we are. Today, she’s reminding all of us at once.

[triumph_communes]

3 hours ago, kas23 said:

While MERS and SARS do show seasonality, however these (mostly MERS) pop up at any time of the year. Here’s a good read detailing how this infection will eventually be limited. Your #2 is probably going to be the most important. 
 

https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/will-covid-19-go-away-on-its-own-in-warmer-weather/

Cause Camels are only in heat seasonally 

[LTS]

7 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

TIL about herd immunity. No, this is not the protection Bills fans who pee outside have against developing a UTI. It's the idea that not everyone in a population has to develop immunity. If enough people have the disease and develop immunity, the virus finds it harder and harder to locate a host and starts to peter out. (I would modestly propose that all of the young people who aren't concerned about the virus should be injected with it so herd immunity can be established. You first, kiddo.)

I think the jist of my concern above was that maybe we are preventing this herd immunity from taking hold.

All that said, I *think* I heard an "expert" on TV say today he wasn't sure if having coronavirus would prevent you from getting it again. Soooo much information out there, at once a blessing and a curse.

Social distancing will slow the speed at which this occurs but that's the point.  Inundating the health care system would most likely lead to much bigger issues.  Unfortunately we just need to ride it out.

1 hour ago, Neo said:

Our family is affected.  My daughter-in-law has symptoms.  She’s 29 and healthy.   Because of her youth and health, her physician said she won’t be tested.  She has been asked to self-quarantine at home.  My son’s xompany told him to do the same thing after he alerted them.  Two weeks.  I suspect many of us will have stories soon.

He’ll be paid.  She doesn’t work.  The two goof balls live in a wonderful shoe box sized home with five, yes five, kids seven and under.  Oh, and two dogs.  I can’t imagine.  My wife cancelled her visit to see them over spring break just a few days ago, thinking something like this was possible.  A good move, in hindsight.

I’m learning that self-quarantine is a nebulous term.  My daughter-in-law received little instruction and no rules or regulations.  Be safe, be smart, wash your hands and sleep alone.

This system we live in is fragile.  Science and technology have insulated us from this truism.  From time. to time, nature reminds us how vulnerable we are. Today, she’s reminding all of us at once.

Scary right there.  Co-worker just texted me tonight that her 4 year old is going into the doctor tomorrow morning with flu-like symptoms.  She's highly asthmatic to boot.  She managed a weak joke "Didn't ever think I'd be pulling for my kid to have the flu."  I hope your family gets through it and the kids aren't impacted.

[Indabuff]

2 hours ago, Neo said:

Our family is affected.  My daughter-in-law has symptoms.  She’s 29 and healthy.   Because of her youth and health, her physician said she won’t be tested.  She has been asked to self-quarantine at home.  My son’s xompany told him to do the same thing after he alerted them.  Two weeks.  I suspect many of us will have stories soon.

He’ll be paid.  She doesn’t work.  The two goof balls live in a wonderful shoe box sized home with five, yes five, kids seven and under.  Oh, and two dogs.  I can’t imagine.  My wife cancelled her visit to see them over spring break just a few days ago, thinking something like this was possible.  A good move, in hindsight.

I’m learning that self-quarantine is a nebulous term.  My daughter-in-law received little instruction and no rules or regulations.  Be safe, be smart, wash your hands and sleep alone.

This system we live in is fragile.  Science and technology have insulated us from this truism.  From time. to time, nature reminds us how vulnerable we are. Today, she’s reminding all of us at once.

Good luck to you and your family.  If it is it  hopefully it only ends up being on the mild side of the spectrum.

[Wyldnwoody44]

I will be back at the hospital starting in the morning. 

There are already so many measures in place, I have to immediately be fitted for a N95 mask which means I have to shave my beard (very sad as I just got a little tan, and now it'll look weird ??) 

From what I've heard from colleagues, it's been nothing short of hell on earth, and these are the things that we signed up for when we went into this field. 

I'll try and post a little bit more on this subject as I face it head on and have a better feel personally, there is too much noise/chaos/hysteria coming from all those noise boxes. I really need to see this in action. 

[FogBat]

I mentioned the Spanish influenza pandemic earlier. Yes, we know that the mortality rate was pretty high back then. However, let's also remember that not everyone died from it. Some even lived to tell about it.

For the life of me, I can't remember if my great-grandmother ever told me her recollection of it. I do remember that she was born in 1889, and died in 1990 at age 101. I'm sure she had plenty of memories of that period of time. No doubt we will have plenty to say to our progeny in the years and decades to come.

4 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

I will be back at the hospital starting in the morning. 

There are already so many measures in place, I have to immediately be fitted for a N95 mask which means I have to shave my beard (very sad as I just got a little tan, and now it'll look weird ??) 

From what I've heard from colleagues, it's been nothing short of hell on earth, and these are the things that we signed up for when we went into this field. 

I'll try and post a little bit more on this subject as I face it head on and have a better feel personally, there is too much noise/chaos/hysteria coming from all those noise boxes. I really need to see this in action. 

Praying for you and others in the medical field.

[North Buffalo]

Received 2 new pts in ER tonight

[steveoath]

Wife treated an elderly patient on Friday on routine house call, now she (and us) are in self isolation as said patient and his nurse both tested positive. Wife in bed with temp and cough. Bummer.

[MODO Hockey]

Were a bunch of sheep and one of us saw a wolf and now were on the run. Pathetic to say the least.
Most of us that get infected will not even have a single notice of it, and life continues. 

What is your opinion @Wyldnwoody44

On 3/13/2020 at 3:17 PM, Eleven said:

You had retweeted something that I found interesting but cannot post here because it's political.  Or at least I think it was you.  There very well could be someone else with the same first name, living in Sweden, and going by MODO on twitter.

 

Ohh, was not me. I do not use Twitter, fyi. 

[carpandean]

1 hour ago, MODO Hockey said:

Were a bunch of sheep and one of us saw a wolf and now were on the run. Pathetic to say the least.
Most of us that get infected will not even have a single notice of it, and life continues.

That's part of the problem.  This would be easy to control if everyone who caught it quickly turned purple with green polkadots.  Because so many are (relatively) asymptomatic "carriers" instead, there's a greater risk of them of unknowingly infecting others, eventually reaching the ones who aren't in the "Most of us" population.  They're asking the healthy "sheep" to be "on the run," not because it will directly affect their lives in a significant way to get it, but rather to slow down how quickly the unhealthy ones come down with it.  Too many, too fast would exceed the healthcare systems' capacity to treat them.

[Wyldnwoody44]

1 hour ago, MODO Hockey said:

Were a bunch of sheep and one of us saw a wolf and now were on the run. Pathetic to say the least.
Most of us that get infected will not even have a single notice of it, and life continues. 

What is your opinion @Wyldnwoody44

 

I'll start by saying that social media has done much more damage than good in the world, it's certainly not helping in this particular case. 

Medically speaking, I don't think we have enough info as of yet, but I do belive it's getting blown up more than it needs to be. Sure it's a bad virus, but if they named it influenza C and didn't report every single death on television, I think we would be looking at a much different situation. 

The mass hysteria to this is what I am honestly having a hard time dealing with, I would take an educated guess that 20% of the population has already had this and are immune to it. But alas, here we are dealing with a "pandemic" and "crisis" 

I wish I could quarantine myself until people calm the f down