Trade: Wayne Simmonds to Sabres for a Conditional 2021 5th

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, sabresparaavida said:

Risto often plays in front of the net on PP1. If we have a replacement for that, it helps to relieve some of the loss of potentially losing Risto. 

seriously, so you get a 4th line F so you can now trade a defenseman? 

[Kruppstahl]

1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said:

This is a good safe play. Good player, tough and has scored in the past. I hope we don't give away prospects unless we get a starting goalie (to share time with Leenus)  in the deal 

He's not a good player anymore.  I always liked him historically, but he'll be 32 when next season starts (if he's still on the team) and his best years are way behind him.

He's currently one of the worst penalty differential players in the league and we have a horrible PK!

He is also a net negative below replacement level player right now.

This is a nothing move that does nothing to improve the long term make up of the team. 

Mistake to be buying at this deadline.

 

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by Kruppstahl

[bob_sauve28]

Just now, Kruppstahl said:

He's not a good player anymore.  I always liked him historically, but he'll be 32 when next season starts (if he's still on the team) and his best years are way behind him.

He's currently one of the worst penalty differential players in the league and we have a horrible PK!

He also a net negative below replacement level player right now.

This is a nothing move that does nothing to improve the long term make up of the team. 

Mistake to be buying at this deadline.

 

 

He better not be taking penalties! 

[Torpedo Forecheck]

31 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I will bet you money that Botterill talks about Simmonds grit/toughness as a reason for the acquisition. 

WTF not? is it not important? You sound like you think its meaningless.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Torpedo Forecheck

[Marvin]

This is just JNot's way of apologising for not buying last year.  The potential good news is that it looks like JNot may be acknowledging the team's overall softness.  Maybe.

[Zamboni]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Instead of trading for Frolic and Simmonds, the Sabres could have just signed Pominville and gotten the PK and PP help they wanted and a RW as well. 

Why hasn’t any team picked up Poms or Vanek this whole season?  Any logical ideas? 

[LGR4GM]

They are old?

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Just now, Zamboni said:

Why hasn’t any team picked up Poms or Vanek this whole season?  Any logical ideas? 

Maybe they're not perceived as helpers for the PK and PP?

[Randall Flagg]

They are bad 

3 minutes ago, Torpedo Forecheck said:

WTF not? is it not important? You sound like you think its meaningless.

A lot of people do. 

And even for the ones who don't, it's tough to care about adding grit in the form of a player who is bad at hockey now. 

[bob_sauve28]

They suck lol 

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, E4 ... Ke2 said:

This is just JNot's way of apologising for not buying last year.  The potential good news is that it looks like JNot may be acknowledging the team's overall softness.  Maybe.

Umm, he actually did buy last year at the deadline.  He got Montour.  Which actually was a bigger/better buy than that from this morning's shopping trip. 

[Zamboni]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

They are old?

 

1 minute ago, ... said:

Maybe they're not perceived as helpers for the PK and PP?

 

Just now, Randall Flagg said:

They are bad 

Exactly my thoughts. So it’s really a good thing the Sabres (or 30 other teams) didn’t get them. They are both spent. I know some want to have a feel good moment with those two, but it’s best we avoid those two slugs.

[sabremike]

32 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

For 2.5 -3.0 for three years.... sure extend Simmonds. Any more .... hard pass.

And let both Larry and Girgs walk *BuddDwyer.gif*

[Rasmus_]

The news, seems to have dried up, like the state I live in....Arizona.

[Marvin]

Just now, Taro T said:

Umm, he actually did buy last year at the deadline.  He got Montour.  Which actually was a bigger/better buy than that from this morning's shopping trip. 

I stand corrected.

I thought of that as more of a "hold", but yeah, you're right.

[Cheektorado]

15 minutes ago, Kruppstahl said:

He's not a good player anymore.  I always liked him historically, but he'll be 32 when next season starts (if he's still on the team) and his best years are way behind him.

He's currently one of the worst penalty differential players in the league and we have a horrible PK!

He also a net negative below replacement level player right now.

This is a nothing move that does nothing to improve the long term make up of the team. 

Mistake to be buying at this deadline.

 

 

It's not like he bought a new SUV, it's more like he took the old sedan out for an oil change and a wash.  I wouldn't worry about it.

Let's see how the guy plays the remaining 20 games.

[eman]

I think we may be pleasantly surprised at Simmonds contribution (especially in front of the opposing net) I'll be surprised if he doesn't help this club out in the remaining 20 games.

[Tondas]

1 minute ago, eman said:

I think we may be pleasantly surprised at Simmonds contribution (especially in front of the opposing net) I'll be surprised if he doesn't help this club out in the remaining 20 games.

Yep.  Now Risto doesn't have to play that role on the PP.

[sabremike]

Tyler Ennis for a 5th > Corpse of Wayne Simmonds for a 5th

[Torpedo Forecheck]

14 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

They are bad 

A lot of people do. 

And even for the ones who don't, it's tough to care about adding grit in the form of a player who is bad at hockey now. 

So you think grit and toughness are meaningless too? Who's alot of people? Who says he's bad at hockey? You?

[Randall Flagg]

2 minutes ago, Torpedo Forecheck said:

So you think grit and toughness are meaningless too? Who's alot of people? Who says he's bad at hockey? You?

I didn't say that I think that. They are incredibly meaningless if brought in via bad players, like Jordan Nolan as a recent example. 

And yes, he's bad at hockey. He was traded for a 5th rounder 2 drafts from now lol. Last year he was traded for a first at the same time, that's how bad he's been since. He was healthy scratched by the team that paid a first for him, and put up 3 points in 19 games for a team that got smoked in the first round in the games that he wasn't healthy-scratched. 

Edited February 24, 2020 by Randall Flagg

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, Torpedo Forecheck said:

So you think grit and toughness are meaningless too? Who's alot of people? Who says he's bad at hockey? You?

 

[DarthEbriate]

3 minutes ago, sabremike said:

Tyler Ennis for a 5th > Corpse of Wayne Simmonds for a 5th

Depends on the acquiring team. Our team has enough perimeter players (Sheary, ERod, Reino). Simmonds will go do some heavy lifting and crashing the net. Young Ennis before his concussion troubles was around the net, but those are days long gone.

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, sabremike said:

Tyler Ennis for a 5th > Corpse of Wayne Simmonds for a 5th

How many Conor Shearys does this team need? We already have 1-2 too many.  (Depending on whether you'd consider Rodrigues another Sheary or not.)

[LGR4GM]

lol