Montreal Trades Marco Scandella to STL for 2nd and Conditional 4th.

[Brawndo]

Marco Scandella to STL for a 2nd and Conditional 4th.

 

Great Asset Management Botterill 

[Eleven]

  On 2/18/2020 at 8:59 PM, Brawndo said:

Marco Scandella to STL for a 2nd and Conditional 4th.

 

Great Asset Management Botterill 

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Pathetic.

[dudacek]

  On 2/18/2020 at 8:59 PM, Brawndo said:

Marco Scandella to STL for a 2nd and Conditional 4th.

 

Great Asset Management Botterill 

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@GASabresIUFAN, @Curt @LTS and everyone else who was arguing with me about squandering our blueline assets.

@Brawndo and Marc Bergevin have explained it a helluvalot better than I did.

 

[WildCard]

  On 2/18/2020 at 8:59 PM, Brawndo said:

Marco Scandella to STL for a 2nd and Conditional 4th.

 

Great Asset Management Botterill 

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You ***** kidding me with that?

[Claude Balls]

Botterill strikes again, what a ***** clown

Edited February 18, 2020 by Claude Balls

[darksabre]

This thread gonna get a lot of action 

[dudacek]

  On 2/18/2020 at 9:08 PM, darksabre said:

This thread gonna get a lot of action 

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I'm sure JBot has that Frolik to Edmonton for a 2nd trade incoming to shut us all up.

Any minute now.

[Claude Balls]

  On 2/18/2020 at 9:11 PM, dudacek said:

I'm sure JBot has that Frolik to Edmonton for a 2nd trade incoming to shut us all up.

Any minute now.

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Maybe a 2nd in 2025

[GASabresIUFAN]

Lucy you got some splaining to do.

[Scottysabres]

Well, I now have an image stuck in my head....

Terry Pegula sitting on a throne in Boca with a robe around him saying "but, are YOU NOT entertained".......

Followed by an evil laugh right from the depths of hockey he'll.....

[LGR4GM]

Montreal retained 50% of his salary. 

[Brawndo]

If Pegula wants continuity with organization because of Krueger, just promote Steve Greeley to the GM Job.

He was offered the GM Job in Carolina, but turned it down because it would be a pay cut.

Give him the offseason that Botterill was going to get to turn it around.

Enough of this BS

[DarthEbriate]

Every GM in the land has to be on the phone with JBot at this point looking for a great deal.

Edit: But now at the deadline, a guy like Marco is really valuable for a playoff roster. And retaining salary to toss in the conditional 4th (or bump a 3rd up to a 2nd)? Well played.

Edited February 18, 2020 by DarthEbriate

[Brawndo]

As per LGM's Request

 

[nfreeman]

Well, no way to spin it -- this looks like asset mismanagement by JB.

[LGR4GM]

Even with 50% salary retention, this is a bad look for botterill. 

[erickompositör72]

A source of mine told me (months ago) that JBot is perceived by other front offices around the league as "in self-preservation mode;" looks like other GM's are just going to have their way with him.

Edited February 18, 2020 by erickompositör72

[DarthEbriate]

JBot needs a reference chart for the remaining assets if he's going to sell. Rule 1: A proven NHL-caliber UFA rental at the trade deadline is a 2nd and then start adding more as player's skill increases or is considered more vital to the new team. McCabe, Larsson, Vesey, even Sheary, they're all 2nds minimum from here on out.

[triumph_communes]

want to fix the title?  2nd round pick was for the 2 million in cap retention at the deadline

for comparison-- toronto paid a 1st round pick for 6 million pre-season (bought out)

Edited February 18, 2020 by triumph_communes

[Pimlach]

  On 2/18/2020 at 9:17 PM, LGR4GM said:

Montreal retained 50% of his salary. 

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For the remainder of the year?   Definitely worth a #2 for that. 

Scandy was having a fine year and played well with Joker.    He is most definitely a better asset longer term that Frolik. 

We really needed a forward with all the injuries we had at the time but this is one more reason to question Boterill. 

  On 2/18/2020 at 9:42 PM, DarthEbriate said:

JBot needs a reference chart for the remaining assets if he's going to sell. Rule 1: A proven NHL-caliber UFA rental at the trade deadline is a 2nd and then start adding more as player's skill increases or is considered more vital to the new team. McCabe, Larsson, Vesey, even Sheary, they're all 2nds minimum from here on out.

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Can you send him an email on this?  He is kind of new to this GM stuff. 

[DarthEbriate]

  On 2/18/2020 at 9:53 PM, Pimlach said:

Can you send him an email on this?  He is kind of new to this GM stuff. 

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I'll record a hologram.

But yes, we can call it the Boyes rule. Or the Raffi Torres rule. A guy you're going to plug into your playoff roster gets at least a 2.

[nfreeman]

  On 2/18/2020 at 9:42 PM, triumph_communes said:

want to fix the title?  2nd round pick was for the 2 million in cap retention at the deadline

for comparison-- toronto paid a 1st round pick for 6 million pre-season (bought out)

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What is this based on?

[triumph_communes]

  On 2/18/2020 at 10:01 PM, nfreeman said:

What is this based on?

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that's literally the difference in the closest comparable (literal previous trade)

 

when cross-checked with what other teams paid just for cap, it also fits

Edited February 18, 2020 by triumph_communes

[nfreeman]

In all seriousness -- we know TP hates being embarrassed.

This is embarrassing.

[nfreeman]

  On 2/18/2020 at 10:02 PM, triumph_communes said:

that's literally the difference in the closest comparable (literal previous trade)

 

when compared with what other teams paid just for cap, it also fits

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Apples and oranges IMHO. 

And while Scandy's salary is $4MM, Montreal isn't retaining a $2MM cap hit -- they are only retaining the prorated portion through the end of the year.  STL has 23 games remaining, which is 28% of the schedule.  28% of Scandy's $4MM salary is $1.12MM.  Montreal retained half of that, which is $556K.

Any respectable GM would have retained that much to get a #2 instead of a #4 for Scandy.  JB just mis-timed the market and mis-evaluated how much Scandy would yield in trade.

He screwed it up.