LGR4GM Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 If Bogo plays another game for Buffalo it is clear that trading him is more important than winning. If I were Colin Miller I would demand a trade for being benched so that could play. Quote
SwampD Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, WildCard said: Good luck unloading this guy What was wrong with that play? He got the puck, ERod couldn’t clear it. He then knocks the guy off the puck again. Isn’t that what he is supposed to do? 1 Quote
shrader Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, SwampD said: What was wrong with that play? He got the puck, ERod couldn’t clear it. He then knocks the guy off the puck again. Isn’t that what he is supposed to do? And if you watch that penalty from a different angle, it only happens because Larkin (I believe that's who it was) trips over Bogosian's leg, which causes all of the contact. Quote
SwampD Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, shrader said: And if you watch that penalty from a different angle, it only happens because Larkin (I believe that's who it was) trips over Bogosian's leg, which causes all of the contact. Wait. They called penalty on that play? Weak. Quote
shrader Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, SwampD said: Wait. They called penalty on that play? Weak. Boarding. It was a bit of bad luck, but it was the correct call. Quote
SwampD Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, shrader said: Boarding. It was a bit of bad luck, but it was the correct call. Maybe from the ref's angle that looked like boarding. I don't see boarding at all. Quote
Brawndo Posted January 13, 2020 Author Report Posted January 13, 2020 59 minutes ago, WildCard said: Good luck unloading this guy 55 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: If Bogo plays another game for Buffalo it is clear that trading him is more important than winning. If I were Colin Miller I would demand a trade for being benched so that could play. He scored a goal yesterday, the only discussion we should be having about him is increasing his ice time and what his contract extension should look like. 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Brawndo said: He scored a goal yesterday, the only discussion we should be having about him is increasing his ice time and what his contract extension should look like. Quote
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2020 Author Report Posted January 16, 2020 Toronto is looking for defenseman Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Toronto is looking for defenseman Not that I want to trade Miller, but Miller for Kapanen makes sense for all parties. 5 Quote
Brawndo Posted January 17, 2020 Author Report Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Not that I want to trade Miller, but Miller for Kapanen makes sense for all parties. Almost too much sense 1 Quote
nfreeman Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 16 hours ago, TrueBlueGED said: Not that I want to trade Miller, but Miller for Kapanen makes sense for all parties. 16 hours ago, Brawndo said: Almost too much sense I'd be very happy with this, but I think the Sabres would have to considerably sweeten the offer. Quote
triumph_communes Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, nfreeman said: I'd be very happy with this, but I think the Sabres would have to considerably sweeten the offer. By retaining 0.6 mil/season. Leafs are cap hamstrung. Retaining the differences in the contracts may be enough. I know Botterill is allergic to cap retention, but Kapanen would be a great get. Leafs are desperate for defenders. Quote
nfreeman Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: By retaining 0.6 mil/season. Leafs are cap hamstrung. Retaining the differences in the contracts may be enough. I know Botterill is allergic to cap retention, but Kapanen would be a great get. Leafs are desperate for defenders. No question he would be a great get, but others will offer more than just the equivalent of Miller. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, nfreeman said: No question he would be a great get, but others will offer more than just the equivalent of Miller. Really depends on your opinion of Miller. I think he's clearly a top-4 defenseman. A team that takes numbers seriously, such as Toronto, may be inclined to agree. Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Really depends on your opinion of Miller. I think he's clearly a top-4 defenseman. A team that takes numbers seriously, such as Toronto, may be inclined to agree. and a team that doesn't would play Bogo Quote
Broken Ankles Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, triumph_communes said: By retaining 0.6 mil/season. Leafs are cap hamstrung. Retaining the differences in the contracts may be enough. I know Botterill is allergic to cap retention, but Kapanen would be a great get. Leafs are desperate for defenders. Why are they hamstrung? They have $5.8M in Deadline cap space. Morgan Reilly is out for months (at least two) and even if Muzzin comes back in February, they seemingly have plenty of space to make a move. I align with @nfreeman - considerable sweetener. Why would they trade a young asset with excellent possession metrics and has a much higher ceiling for a guy who has been healthy scratched 15 times this year? And do it within division. No chance. Edited January 17, 2020 by Broken Ankles 2 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said: Why are they hamstrung? They have $5.8M in Deadline cap space. Morgan Reilly is out for months (at least two) and even if Muzzin comes back in February, they seemingly have plenty of space to make a move. I align with @nfreeman - considerable sweetener. Why would they trade a young asset with excellent possession metrics and has a much higher ceiling for a guy who has been healthy scratched 15 times this year? And do it within division. No chance. You're assuming they value Miller the same as Krueger does. Quote
tom webster Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: You're assuming they value Miller the same as Krueger does. Problem with this speculation is that Dubas and everyone else could have acquired Miller for a lot less then Kapanen before Buffalo acquired him. Maybe his private numbers don’t match the public numbers always associated with Miller. Quote
triumph_communes Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said: Why are they hamstrung? They have $5.8M in Deadline cap space. Morgan Reilly is out for months (at least two) and even if Muzzin comes back in February, they seemingly have plenty of space to make a move. I align with @nfreeman - considerable sweetener. Why would they trade a young asset with excellent possession metrics and has a much higher ceiling for a guy who has been healthy scratched 15 times this year? And do it within division. No chance. it’s a three year contract. They’re cap hamstrung as soon as Reilly is back. Quote
Broken Ankles Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: it’s a three year contract. They’re cap hamstrung as soon as Reilly is back. But then the trade is more likely next year. Not this year. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, tom webster said: Problem with this speculation is that Dubas and everyone else could have acquired Miller for a lot less then Kapanen before Buffalo acquired him. Maybe his private numbers don’t match the public numbers always associated with Miller. Internal analysis could be different, for sure. I don't buy that Dubas was in a position to acquire him, though. He was traded well before the Marner deal was in place, and Toronto was in no position to add $4M in salary. Quote
triumph_communes Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said: But then the trade is more likely next year. Not this year. With Reilly out their playoff picture is in trouble. They need the help they can get ASAP Quote
Broken Ankles Posted January 17, 2020 Report Posted January 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, tom webster said: Problem with this speculation is that Dubas and everyone else could have acquired Miller for a lot less then Kapanen before Buffalo acquired him. Maybe his private numbers don’t match the public numbers always associated with Miller. This. @TrueBlueGED - look at the compensation we gave Vegas. It was a St. Louis 2nd in 2021 (presumably low) and our 5th in 2022 (hopefully low). And his stock has dropped somewhat since the trade. If the original trade is the starting point, is this not far less compensation you might obtain for a 20 goal/45 point player who is 23? Washington received more for Burakovsky, and he was less accomplished, although playing better in COL. Quote
Scottysabres Posted January 20, 2020 Report Posted January 20, 2020 "After surrendering his top selection in this year’s draft to the Ottawa Senators as part of the deal to get defenceman Erik Karlsson in September 2018, the word is Wilson is embarrassed that could be a lottery selection because of the backwards turn the Sharks have taken this season and, as a result, he’ll try desperately to get a first-rounder back at this year’s deadline." Caught this on another venue. If true, Botterill should be all over this. My view, Hertl for Okposo and the 2020 1st unprotected, if the deal is done like right now. If not, the closer to the deadline, I would have to see where the Sabres sit in the standings, but yea, Hertl would be an immediate 2C. 2 Quote
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