Kr632 Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Cascade Youth said: I mean there’s a market for this thing so... It’s like something from rick and morty Quote
LGR4GM Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 If you trade Hutton you are effectively doing 2 things. You are bumping up everyone else in the org. So that means UPL can go to Rochester and start. Whichever Rochester goalie is the best NHL backup comes up and Ullmark is now the undisputed starter in net. Specifically you are saying that Ullmark is your guy for at least the next year and a half. So if you have faith in Ullmark you can do it. Quote
Taro T Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: If you trade Hutton you are effectively doing 2 things. You are bumping up everyone else in the org. So that means UPL can go to Rochester and start. Whichever Rochester goalie is the best NHL backup comes up and Ullmark is now the undisputed starter in net. Specifically you are saying that Ullmark is your guy for at least the next year and a half. So if you have faith in Ullmark you can do it. Unless something dramatically strange opens up (like the Devils deciding they NEED an average NHL goalie in a trade for Hall for some mystical reason), Hutton isn't getting traded in season. Now, this off-season, depending upon Luukkonnen's development, could be another story. Quote
Zamboni Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 They are keeping Hutton this season. No need to trade him now. He’s on a very very friendly contract. Is there another goaltending duo cheaper than the Sabres? How about a team with a cheaper duo that has a record “as good as” or better than the Sabres? Quote
sweetlou Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 my latest concoctions... Trades NJ- Wood for Hutton PIT- DeSmith for Rodrigues CBJ- Jenner and Anderson for Sheary, Mittelstadt, Girgensons, 2020 2nd round pick (BUF) VEG- Reaves, Tuch, Roy, 2021 2nd round pick (NJD)- Ristolainen and Reinhart New Line up Skinner- Eichel- Tuch Olofsson- Jenner- Johansson Vesey- Asplund- Anderson Wood- Larsson- Reaves D- McCabe- Montour Dahlin- Bogo Scandella- Joker Goalies- Ullmark, DeSmith Quote
dudacek Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Unless something dramatically strange opens up (like the Devils deciding they NEED an average NHL goalie in a trade for Hall for some mystical reason), Hutton isn't getting traded in season. Now, this off-season, depending upon Luukkonnen's development, could be another story. I was looking more at teams getting poor goaltending and in danger of missing the playoffs because of it. Think the Blues before Binnington came up. Montreal, Toronto, Calgary and San Jose are four that come to mind, not that I’d want to deal with the former pair. It’s not that Hutton is a star, but he’d probably be an improvement over what they’re getting from their backups (maybe even their starters in some cases) and he has an affordable contract and a good reputation for character. Edited December 5, 2019 by dudacek Quote
Taro T Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, dudacek said: I was looking more at teams getting poor goaltending and in danger of missing the playoffs because of it. Think the Blues before Binnington came up. Montreal, Toronto, Calgary and San Jose are four that come to mind, not that I’d want to deal with the former pair. It’s not that Hutton is a star, but he’d probably be an improvement over what they’re getting from their backups (maybe even their starters in some cases) and he has an affordable contract and a good reputation for character. But if he's being brought in to supplement the platoon rather than start during this season, then how much would somebody be willing to give up for him. AND more importantly, how does that affect Ullmark 's play having him officially penciled in as the #1 regardless of whether he slumps due to too heavy a workload or not? I'd just be very surprised should Hutton get traded in season. 1 Quote
pi2000 Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 Hutton's trade value is nil. Knowing how the Sabres operate, they'll just happily keep on the roster because they don't want to upset him. 1 Quote
nfreeman Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Hutton's trade value is nil. Knowing how the Sabres operate, they'll just happily keep on the roster because they don't want to upset him. I agree with the bolded. Nobody is going to trade for him. If Hutton doesn't improve over the course of this season, I expect JB to bring in another goalie for next year. But not before then. Quote
dudacek Posted December 5, 2019 Report Posted December 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Hutton's trade value is nil. Knowing how the Sabres operate, they'll just happily keep on the roster because they don't want to upset him. I don’t subscribe to the theory that Hutton is worthless because of his horrible November any more than I did that he was untradeable because of his ridiculously awesome October. GMs probably value him as an excellent backup capable of stints where he can be a good starter, particularly in a structure system, because that his what his career overall has shown him to be. You’d have to be foolish to think the Leafs would love to add a Hutton/Miller combo if they could fit it under the cap and had the right players to offer the Sabres. He doesn’t have a ton of value, but his value isn’t nil. Quote
Huckleberry Posted December 6, 2019 Report Posted December 6, 2019 20 hours ago, sweetlou said: my latest concoctions... Trades NJ- Wood for Hutton PIT- DeSmith for Rodrigues CBJ- Jenner and Anderson for Sheary, Mittelstadt, Girgensons, 2020 2nd round pick (BUF) VEG- Reaves, Tuch, Roy, 2021 2nd round pick (NJD)- Ristolainen and Reinhart New Line up Skinner- Eichel- Tuch Olofsson- Jenner- Johansson Vesey- Asplund- Anderson Wood- Larsson- Reaves D- McCabe- Montour Dahlin- Bogo Scandella- Joker Goalies- Ullmark, DeSmith Jenner is at most a 3C - I wouldn't mind adding him and Anderson but its for bottom 6 roles. And you overpay in the Vegas trade. Wood isn't really that good either. If botts makes these trades he would lose my support. You strip our team of any talent behind Eichel and leave us bare. Quote
LGR4GM Posted December 6, 2019 Report Posted December 6, 2019 22 hours ago, sweetlou said: my latest concoctions... Trades NJ- Wood for Hutton PIT- DeSmith for Rodrigues CBJ- Jenner and Anderson for Sheary, Mittelstadt, Girgensons, 2020 2nd round pick (BUF) VEG- Reaves, Tuch, Roy, 2021 2nd round pick (NJD)- Ristolainen and Reinhart 1 Quote
kas23 Posted December 6, 2019 Report Posted December 6, 2019 On 12/5/2019 at 10:24 AM, dudacek said: I was looking more at teams getting poor goaltending and in danger of missing the playoffs because of it. Think the Blues before Binnington came up. I know we got issues, but doesn’t this describe the Sabres? 2 Quote
Thorner Posted December 6, 2019 Report Posted December 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Brawndo said: “Nothing on the front burner”. *HEAD DESK* Quote
Zamboni Posted December 6, 2019 Report Posted December 6, 2019 So let me get this straight .... some refuse to believe that JB is active with making and receiving phone calls regarding a trade or two. but you’ll believe nothing is “on the front burner” Chose to not believe any positive news. Chose to believe all the negative though. ok then ... Quote
Thorner Posted December 6, 2019 Report Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zamboni said: So let me get this straight .... some refuse to believe that JB is active with making and receiving phone calls regarding a trade or two. but you’ll believe nothing is “on the front burner” Chose to not believe any positive news. Chose to believe all the negative though. ok then ... It’s all irrelevant. Is there a trade, or not. The answer is no. As long as it continues to be a no, we have a problem. “Trying” is irrelevant. A move is necessary, at this stage. It’s simply necessary. If the GM has left himself in a position where he’s handcuffed himself and can’t make one, he has no one to blame but himself. Edited December 6, 2019 by Thorny 1 Quote
Sabre1974 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 For me he has to make a trade. We are still not good enough at this point. 1 Quote
pi2000 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 The Sabre's have a glut of defenseman are in desperate need of a top 6 winger and they're not interested in perennial all-star Taylor Hall because he "is not in their long or short term plans"? And people wonder why they haven't made the playoffs in a decade. 1 Quote
pi2000 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Let's Go B-Lo said: I agree with the sentiment. However, regarding Taylor Hall specifically. RK coached him before and none of us know how that really went. RK has a much better insight into Hall than we do and whether or not he's a locker room turd. You don't win games in the lockeroom. Quote
freester Posted December 8, 2019 Report Posted December 8, 2019 5 hours ago, pi2000 said: The Sabre's have a glut of defenseman are in desperate need of a top 6 winger and they're not interested in perennial all-star Taylor Hall because he "is not in their long or short term plans"? And people wonder why they haven't made the playoffs in a decade. This is irrelevant. Taylor Hall is not coming to this shitshow of an organization. He wants to win. He could stay in Jersey and lose. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted December 8, 2019 Report Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, inkman said: Another middle-6 guy as opposed to top 6. Would be better than nothing though, and perhaps a decent buy-low candidate. Edited December 8, 2019 by Thorny Quote
dudacek Posted December 8, 2019 Report Posted December 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Thorny said: Another middle-6 guy as opposed to top 6. Would be better than nothing though, and perhaps a decent buy-low candidate. I don’t like Galchenyuk and his game has fallen off the table, but he has first line talent Quote
Brawndo Posted December 8, 2019 Author Report Posted December 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, inkman said: We already have one of those 1 2 Quote
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