Non Sabres Deadline Trades/Rumors

[Derrico]

17 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

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Because.....see why I say it?

[Derrico]

I mean when probability says things should be different.

[TrueBlueGED]

6 minutes ago, Derrico said:

I mean when probability says things should be different.

Yea but probability also says that things like this happen without it being mysticism. Law of large numbers! Improbable things happen all the time. 

Edit to add: the likelihood of Buffalo specifically going 100 years without a title is, I would guess, pretty low. But the likelihood that some city would do that probably isn't all too low. We just happen to be the one. 

But hey, in recent years Cleveland, Toronto, the Red Sox, the Cubs, Philly....all cities/teams that ended enormous droughts. It'll happen. 

Edited November 11, 2019 by TrueBlueGED

[Derrico]

Well I’m still waiting I guess....

[SwampD]

43 minutes ago, Derrico said:

I just don’t know why neither team ever hits the triple or ‘gasp’ home run.   What moves have been made in the last decade plus for either franchise that paid off more than anyone expected?  Olofsson seems like the first sabres pick outside the first two rounds in forever who is contributing in any meaningful way.  Again, in a salary cap era neither franchise has an excuse for the absolute disgrace they have been for over a decade.  A decade.  Mind boggling how there is STILL no end in sight. 

I do know that in the past couple of years we have traded (or just plain let go) plenty of good players for non football or hockey reasons. You’re not go8ng to get good that way.

[kas23]

It’s a curse. We know there’s an old graveyard under Rich stadium. What about the arena? Was it lifted by moving out of the Aud or was that actually a decent parcel of land?

 

http://www.buffalospree.com/Buffalo-Spree/June-2012/The-Bills-Curse/

Edited November 11, 2019 by kas23

[Scottysabres]

2 hours ago, TrueBlueGED said:

I don't see how anyone can actually watch either team play right now and think there's an effort problem. 

I didn't say effort, I said culture. I've seen to many last minute turn over the leads and to many get behind the 8 ball early and can't play catch up to know it is culture, pure and simple.

Look, either players show up determined to carry out the game plan with their full skill set and drive to succeed on display, or they don't. In the Sabres and Bills case, they don't, plain and simple imho.

[Radar]

Please no offense to anyone but I've grown tired of the word and now cliche "culture". 

[freester]

It's all about talent and we are sadly deficient.  I think RK is a fine coach but personnel is lacking.

[Radar]

2 hours ago, freester said:

It's all about talent and we are sadly deficient.  I think RK is a fine coach but personnel is lacking.

I agree. I'm of the opinion of deficient but maybe not sadly.

[Mustache of God]

JBOT has to do something to address the scoring on this team, right? Last year it was painful to sit around watching him do nothing. We can't have a repeat of last year. The difference is we have assets on the back-end to hopefully make something happen. 

[#freejame]

9 hours ago, freester said:

It's all about talent and we are sadly deficient.  I think RK is a fine coach but personnel is lacking.

Our team is soft and immature. We should be playing every game this season like it’s game seven and we aren’t. 

[Wyldnwoody44]

Does this losing steak hurt current trades, I mean teams know he's jammed up on D and needs forward help. It was nice before when we could sit here and wait for any deal because we were winning, but I have to assume most GM's know how we look now and that puts us in a lesser position of power.

 

Sadly I think Jbott waited too long again and should have made a deal when the timing was right. I have never been one to criticize him much, but I'm losing confidence in him fairly quickly. 

[SABRES 0311]

10 minutes ago, #freejame said:

Our team is soft and immature. We should be playing every game this season like it’s game seven and we aren’t. 

What if they already are? Pretty scary thought. 

[MakeSabresGrr8Again]

1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said:

What if they already are? Pretty scary thought. 

Not quite yet. We won the 1st round but lost in the 2nd rd. Some people didn't expect playoff hockey and others expected a 1st rd exit. So, right now is where expectations would be.

[darksabre]

3 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Does this losing steak hurt current trades, I mean teams know he's jammed up on D and needs forward help. It was nice before when we could sit here and wait for any deal because we were winning, but I have to assume most GM's know how we look now and that puts us in a lesser position of power.

 

Sadly I think Jbott waited too long again and should have made a deal when the timing was right. I have never been one to criticize him much, but I'm losing confidence in him fairly quickly. 

It's possible that Botterill missed his window, but there really haven't been any trades of note that would indicate this. It's not like other teams have been active in spite of him.

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, darksabre said:

It's possible that Botterill missed his window, but there really haven't been any trades of note that would indicate this. It's not like other teams have been active in spite of him.

Also, though it may be possible that only 1 team is involved in negotiations with Botterill and the Sabres record will affect what he's getting offered; as long as there are at least 2 teams interested in making a trade, the other GMs still have to make a better offer than the other guy(s) to land the deal and will still offer up to what they are willing to part with to still end up winning the bidding war.

[Brawndo]

From Josh Cooper The Athletic re Toffoli 

[Broken Ankles]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

From Josh Cooper The Athletic re Toffoli 

Does Rodrigues qualify as a second tier prospect?   If so I’m in.

Edited November 12, 2019 by Broken Ankles

[Eleven]

8 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

Does Rodrigues qualify as a second tier prospect?   If so I’m in.

Just keep in mind that he's a rental.  I don't overvalue Rodrigues, but Toffoli is a rental.

[Broken Ankles]

29 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Just keep in mind that he's a rental.  I don't overvalue Rodrigues, but Toffoli is a rental.

Risk/reward.  If you tell me second  +  can help us break a playoff drought I’m in.   I can’t see that happening with Vlad on FL#2 this year.    Nothing says you cannot make a second trade, for a player with term.  

[Derrico]

7 hours ago, Eleven said:

Just keep in mind that he's a rental.  I don't overvalue Rodrigues, but Toffoli is a rental.

From everything I’ve been reading he doesn’t even sound very good.

[Taro T]

18 minutes ago, Derrico said:

From everything I’ve been reading he doesn’t even sound very good.

Well, that's the chicken & egg question.  Has his production fallen off because he's lost a half step that he didn't have to lose or because he's on a very bad team that most of the leadership / name talent is past its use by date?

If he's still what he was (and it's unlikely he is, the question is whether he's close enough to that to be able to help the top 6) then a 2nd and a CJ Smith-ish guy would be a steal.  If he'd only be an upgrade over what we've gotten out of Sheary/ Vesey, well an upgrade is an upgrade but that's too high a cost.

[LGR4GM]

Toffoli his like better Vesey in some ways. Idk, it is an upgrade but it isn't a game changer. I want Ehlers or someone with more upside. Winnipeg needs a RHD right now and they don't need the 3 very good LW's they have. It makes a lot of sense as a hockey trade. 

[darksabre]

30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Toffoli his like better Vesey in some ways. Idk, it is an upgrade but it isn't a game changer. I want Ehlers or someone with more upside. Winnipeg needs a RHD right now and they don't need the 3 very good LW's they have. It makes a lot of sense as a hockey trade. 

I would be disappointed if Toffoli was the only move. He's a low risk piece that couldn't hurt, but i want more.