Non Sabres Deadline Trades/Rumors

[Ross Rhea]

Scandella, Mittlestadt and Vesey for Couture

Edited November 10, 2019 by Ross Rhea

[3putt]

1 minute ago, freester said:

Botteril should not do this for a rental 

Meh.  It worked w Skinner.  Kings fans I know seem to think he will get at least what Johansen got lsst year.  2nd and a 4th.  Very similar production so I can see the ask.

5 minutes ago, Ross Rhea said:

Scandella, mittlestadt and vesey for coutur

Good luck!?

[Randall Flagg]

22 minutes ago, 3putt said:

I think LA says keep Erod and asks for Samuelson or Borgen.

It'd be pretty easy to not give up much of substance for Toffoli, I'm not worried

25 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

My source tells me scandella, and Risto are being shopped hard. ERod and VO are being asked about too.

i wouldn’t cry if any of those were moved as long as the return was fair/good.

Do you legit have a source?

[Brawndo]

Friedman mentioned any deal the Sabres are talking about would be money in and money out. 

[darksabre]

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

Friedman mentioned any deal the Sabres are talking about would be money in and money out. 

I mean, they kinda don't have a choice.

[Randall Flagg]

Lmao holy crap why are we so close to the cap with this product

[freester]

1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said:

Lmao holy crap why are we so close to the cap with this product

We have a lot of bad contracts Okposo, Bogo,Scandella and Sheary 

[sabremike]

1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said:

Lmao holy crap why are we so close to the cap with this product

Imagine the position we would be in right now if Berglund hadn't walked out and voluntarily had his contract voided last season?

[TrueBlueGED]

54 minutes ago, sabremike said:

Imagine the position we would be in right now if Berglund hadn't walked out and voluntarily had his contract voided last season?

Meh. We'd be a worse team because we'd have Berglund instead of Johansson, but that's probably the only difference. 

[Broken Ankles]

2 hours ago, freester said:

We have a lot of bad contracts Okposo, Bogo,Scandella and Sheary 

You forgot Vlad and Hunwick.   

[3putt]

2 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

It'd be pretty easy to not give up much of substance for Toffoli, I'm not worried

Do you legit have a source?

I think you undervalue Tofoli, or overvalue the fodder we are trying to shed.

[Brawndo]

2 hours ago, freester said:

We have a lot of bad contracts Okposo, Bogo,Scandella and Sheary 

 

14 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

You forgot Vlad and Hunwick.   

True but it’s important to remember that 

Only one is signed beyond this year and Scandella has been one of their best defenseman this year. 

[Zamboni]

Haha. Conor Sheary is soooo not a bad contract. For what he produces in a season. For what he is ... $3 mil. is fair. KO and Bogo are the worst. Oh, and paying Hodgson 791K for three more years is a joke too. ?

[Curt]

14 hours ago, darksabre said:

We have to make another move to make room for him though if he's going to come cheap. I'm not trading Risto for him, ya know? 

If LA added a good prospect or pick, and management had a decent idea that Toffoli may like being in Buffalo, I could get on board.  Toffoli has been a 20-25 goal scorer who plays a good 2-way game.  There aren’t a lot of those available.

[kas23]

13 hours ago, Zamboni said:

My source tells me scandella, and Risto are being shopped hard. ERod and VO are being asked about too.

i wouldn’t cry if any of those were moved as long as the return was fair/good.

Let’s hope VO didn’t buy a house. He’s good, but given his age, I wonder how high his ceiling truly is. 

[inkman]

4 hours ago, kas23 said:

Let’s hope VO didn’t buy a house. He’s good, but given his age, I wonder how high his ceiling truly is. 

I don't wonder at all. He's at his ceiling.  A PP specialist that's not good at anything 5 on 5.  

[Curt]

19 minutes ago, inkman said:

I don't wonder at all. He's at his ceiling.  A PP specialist that's not good at anything 5 on 5.  

He is probably at the peak of his physical abilities and skills, but as an NHL rookie there are probably technical adjustments he can make to adjust to the game at this highest level and improve his 5 on 5 play.

[Scottysabres]

It won't matter what trade they make to be honest.

It's not the players entirely. It's the culture and atmosphere around this team. Both the Sabres and Bills are just door mats for those going on to greater things, regardless if you like that comment or not, it's the bare bones truth. The owners? Maybe. But the losing culture, and the culture to not compete 100% of the game played is a constant problem with these teams, and has been long before the Pegula's arrived.

Call it what you will, but I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[TrueBlueGED]

22 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:

It won't matter what trade they make to be honest.

It's not the players entirely. It's the culture and atmosphere around this team. Both the Sabres and Bills are just door mats for those going on to greater things, regardless if you like that comment or not, it's the bare bones truth. The owners? Maybe. But the losing culture, and the culture to not compete 100% of the game played is a constant problem with these teams, and has been long before the Pegula's arrived.

Call it what you will, but I don't see it changing anytime soon.

I don't see how anyone can actually watch either team play right now and think there's an effort problem. 

[Derrico]

14 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

I don't see how anyone can actually watch either team play right now and think there's an effort problem. 

Agreed.  But how can there still be a talent problem???  Both teams play in leagues with salary caps.  Both teams routinely pick in the top 10 to 15 in the draft.  Again, just probability says this city should have 3, pushing 4 championships by now.  That’s simply probability alone.  Both franchises have been an embarrassment, save for 2 Sabres seasons, since the turn of the century.  It’s been nearly 20 years now.  What. The. *****.  Is going on??

[TrueBlueGED]

30 minutes ago, Derrico said:

Agreed.  But how can there still be a talent problem???  Both teams play in leagues with salary caps.  Both teams routinely pick in the top 10 to 15 in the draft.  Again, just probability says this city should have 3, pushing 4 championships by now.  That’s simply probability alone.  Both franchises have been an embarrassment, save for 2 Sabres seasons, since the turn of the century.  It’s been nearly 20 years now.  What. The. *****.  Is going on??

Well, when you chain together some bad decisions across regimes it can be hard to turn it around. Some combination of having the wrong priorities and picking the wrong plays with, yes, some bad luck tossed in for good measure. Put a little differently, I think for both teams they've done some good things in the past 5 or so years, but those good things have been mostly singles while the misses have been catastrophic strikeouts. Mixing sports metaphors is the best. I don't think there's rampant incompetence, just a lot of things adding up. Every NFL team misses on QBs, but missing on the QB hurts a lot more than hitting on a CB helps. Ya know? In the trade that shall not be named, Botterill identified the player as the problem rather than the coach. That's a lot more painful than the help Johansson brings as a value added UFA. And so on. 

[bunomatic]

58 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

I don't see how anyone can actually watch either team play right now and think there's an effort problem. 

At least in regards to the Sabres There are times within the game where effort disappears for mere moments and we get scored on. This team appears to be going hard but there are let downs and we are scored on. There are plays by our best players where they stop thinking momentarily and we get scored on( I’m looking at you Dahlin )so yes there are effort problems and there are brainfarts. And to be fair there are cases of the other team just being good at their jobs and we get scored on. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by bunomatic

[TrueBlueGED]

2 minutes ago, bunomatic said:

At least in regards to the Sabres There are times within the game where effort disappears for mere moments and we get scored on. This team appears to be going hard but there are let downs and we are scored on. There are plays by our best players where they stop thinking momentarily and we get scored on( I’m looking at you Dahlin )so yes there are effort problems and there are brainfarts. And to be fair there are cases of the other team just being good at their jobs and we get scored on. 

I just think it's hard to necessarily equate breakdowns in play with breakdowns in effort. Is a bad pass a lazy pass or did he legitimately just not see the opponent? Stuff like that. I have a pretty strong prior that fans tend to gravitate towards effort-based explanations, probably because it's easier. But that doesn't mean it's the right explanation. 

[Derrico]

I just don’t know why neither team ever hits the triple or ‘gasp’ home run.   What moves have been made in the last decade plus for either franchise that paid off more than anyone expected?  Olofsson seems like the first sabres pick outside the first two rounds in forever who is contributing in any meaningful way.  Again, in a salary cap era neither franchise has an excuse for the absolute disgrace they have been for over a decade.  A decade.  Mind boggling how there is STILL no end in sight. 

[TrueBlueGED]

2 minutes ago, Derrico said:

I just don’t know why neither team ever hits the triple or ‘gasp’ home run.   What moves have been made in the last decade plus for either franchise that paid off more than anyone expected?  Olofsson seems like the first sabres pick outside the first two rounds in forever who is contributing in any meaningful way.  Again, in a salary cap era neither franchise has an excuse for the absolute disgrace they have been for over a decade.  A decade.  Mind boggling how there is STILL no end in sight. 

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