Non Sabres Deadline Trades/Rumors

[French Collection]

23 minutes ago, kas23 said:

What would we be looking at here, Risto and Montour for Ehlers? Too rich?

Way too rich.

They have RHD depth but that would eliminate a big chunk of it in one move. One of those guys is close to Ehlers, just needs a little sweetener, or a losing streak by Winnipeg.

Definite retirement by big Buff would also accelerate a move.

[Huckleberry]

2 hours ago, kas23 said:

What would we be looking at here, Risto and Montour for Ehlers? Too rich?

I think Montour for Ehlers would be a fair deal.   Risto we might need to add.

[kas23]

3 hours ago, French Collection said:

Way too rich.

They have RHD depth but that would eliminate a big chunk of it in one move. One of those guys is close to Ehlers, just needs a little sweetener, or a losing streak by Winnipeg.

Definite retirement by big Buff would also accelerate a move.

Montour and Tage may be what I would prefer. Our second line with Ehlers on it (and Sobotka not) would be fantastic. Or, even put him on the top line and drop Rhino down to 2nd would be equally as great. 

 

But, just to be clear, I love what we are seeing right now and would be very hesitant to disrupt any chemistry by subtracting Risto. I’ve never been in the must trade Risto camp. He provides a definite role. Montour may be the odd man out. 

Edited October 13, 2019 by kas23

[LGR4GM]

13 hours ago, kas23 said:

Montour and Tage may be what I would prefer. Our second line with Ehlers on it (and Sobotka not) would be fantastic. Or, even put him on the top line and drop Rhino down to 2nd would be equally as great. 

 

But, just to be clear, I love what we are seeing right now and would be very hesitant to disrupt any chemistry by subtracting Risto. I’ve never been in the must trade Risto camp. He provides a definite role. Montour may be the odd man out. 

I have a hard time believing the player they acquired in February using a 1st round pick and Guhle is the odd man out. 

[Doohicksie]

And yet, it may be the case.

Forget what was paid for him.  Look at what is needed, what's available, and what it will cost. 

If Kruger wants to keep Risto, who does that make the odd man out?

JBot acquired Montour while HCPH was still the coach.  With a new coach, things can change.

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

And yet, it may be the case.

Forget what was paid for him.  Look at what is needed, what's available, and what it will cost. 

If Kruger wants to keep Risto, who does that make the odd man out?

JBot acquired Montour while HCPH was still the coach.  With a new coach, things can change.

Jokiharju or more likely Scandella and they play 1 pair as a RHD - RHD

If Botterill thought when he acquired Montour on Feb 25th that Phil Housley would still be coach after April 7th, he's an idiot. Further, Krueger used Montour in the preseason so why wouldn't he use him in the regular season?

Edited October 14, 2019 by LGR4GM

[Doohicksie]

But on the other hand, if a "blue chip RHD" is what's going to be required to get a top-6 forward, it might come down to Montour vs. Risto.  It's not unreasonable to think that, and it's further not unreasonable that RFK would prefer Risto over Montour (realistically, I'm not sure who he would pick but to get top-6 fwd help, it might take one or the other).

Edited October 14, 2019 by Doohickie

[LGR4GM]

What is recency bias. 

[Doohicksie]

I won't deny that.  But "what have you done for me lately?" may be factored in.  RFK has 3 pairs that seem to be working.  Bring in another, what does that do to the dynamic?  Looking at how much Krueger has been fiddling with the roster (almost none), it wouldn't surprise me if his preference is to not upset the chemistry.

Ultimately it's JBot's call, but it sounds like so far they talk a lot about roster moves.

[LGR4GM]

27 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I won't deny that.  But "what have you done for me lately?" may be factored in.  RFK has 3 pairs that seem to be working.  Bring in another, what does that do to the dynamic?  Looking at how much Krueger has been fiddling with the roster (almost none), it wouldn't surprise me if his preference is to not upset the chemistry.

Ultimately it's JBot's call, but it sounds like so far they talk a lot about roster moves.

There's a big difference between keeping together what is working and being blinded to upgrades. 

[LGR4GM]

I'll bet on Montour working in this system. A bet I am more than willing to make. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

There's a big difference between keeping together what is working and being blinded to upgrades. 

 

18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I'll bet on Montour working in this system. A bet I am more than willing to make. 

Montour in for Miller

[Carmel Corn]

47 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I won't deny that.  But "what have you done for me lately?" may be factored in.  RFK has 3 pairs that seem to be working.  Bring in another, what does that do to the dynamic?  Looking at how much Krueger has been fiddling with the roster (almost none), it wouldn't surprise me if his preference is to not upset the chemistry.

Ultimately it's JBot's call, but it sounds like so far they talk a lot about roster moves.

Something tells me it won't be long before the team is forced to make a change and start a new dynamic....not by trade, but instead by injury.   For now, I like keeping both guys unless a really lop-sided trade opportunity presents itself.  We'll see!

[Doohicksie]

4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Montour in for Miller

 

Okay, but will Miller fetch a top-6 forward?

Edited October 14, 2019 by Doohickie

[LGR4GM]

13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

 

Montour in for Miller

no. If they want to keep Jokiharju playing then the obvious drop is Scandella. 

9 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

 

Okay, but will Miller fetch a top-6 forward?

We aren't trading him. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

no. If they want to keep Jokiharju playing then the obvious drop is Scandella. 

Not if they want a balance of righty leftie and/or a more physical presence/

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Not if they want a balance of righty leftie and/or a more physical presence/

Are you suggesting that Miller is not physical? 

 

Also it would be pretty dumb to trade away Miller when you just got him and he's the best d contract. 

[jsb]

I wonder if the Arizona Coyotes get interested with Niklas Hjalmarsson going down

[WildCard]

2 minutes ago, jsb said:

I wonder if the Arizona Coyotes get interested with Niklas Hjalmarsson going down

Chayka is huge into analytics, they're not touching Risto 

[jsb]

^^^^^^

I never mentioned Risto

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Are you suggesting that Miller is not physical? 

 

Also it would be pretty dumb to trade away Miller when you just got him and he's the best d contract. 

I’m not suggesting Miller should be traded.  I went and looked and I’m surprised my how many hits Miller has been credited for the last two years.  I don’t think of him as physical player and I certainly think of Scandella as a more physical, despite the hits.

[kas23]

6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I have a hard time believing the player they acquired in February using a 1st round pick and Guhle is the odd man out. 

Don’t let that blind you to the possibility though. If he’s the one of the 2 that gets you Ehlers, then it’s bon voyage. I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than a 60 point player though. 

[kas23]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

What is recency bias. 

Assuming that we couldn’t trade Montour because we only recently acquired him, Alex. 

[triumph_communes]

If Montour returns, Dahlin shifts to LD and Scandella is the 7D scratch until Risto gets traded. 

[sabresparaavida]

8 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

If Montour returns, Dahlin shifts to LD and Scandella is the 7D scratch until Risto gets traded. 

One problem with this: Dahlin is already playing LD. Our RD that are playing currently Risto, Miller, and Joker