Curt Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 8 hours ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Risto to Jets Ehlers to Vegas Stastny to Sabres May have to throw in a pick(to Vegas?) If Vegas trades Stastny, then THEY have no 2C. They are trying to win a cup. They don’t want to enter the season with a ? at 2C. That my thinking at least. 1 Quote
North Buffalo Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: The problem you have this is Botterill has already made the moves on the RHD position to replace Risto. When you combine that with the post July 1st reports of Buffalo pursuing Gardiner and it becomes a bit obvious that Botterill and staff have A.) Identified the defense as a major issue, and B.) commenced a rebuild on said defense in an effort to correct the situation. This is more than just "roster surgery", imo. This is an all out major organ transplant surgery. Oh agreed something has to give, the question is when... and how... is it Risto or some of the dead weight? 1 Quote
kas23 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Scottysabres said: The problem you have this is Botterill has already made the moves on the RHD position to replace Risto. What moves? Are you referring to trading for a defensemen who was demoted to a 5/6 pairing or a defensemen who spent the later half of last season in the AHL? If we were looking to replace a 5/6 guy, I would agree. But we’re trying to replace a defensemen who ate up the most minutes (for better or worse) last year. Plus, we have 2 defensemen who will be starting on IR at the start of the season. Quote
Scottysabres Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, kas23 said: What moves? Are you referring to trading for a defensemen who was demoted to a 5/6 pairing or a defensemen who spent the later half of last season in the AHL? If we were looking to replace a 5/6 guy, I would agree. But we’re trying to replace a defensemen who ate up the most minutes (for better or worse) last year. Plus, we have 2 defensemen who will be starting on IR at the start of the season. Montour and Miller weren't brought in as depth players. I can confidently deduce they'll be on the right side on D come seasons start. True Bogo may be on IR for a portion of October, but Pilut has no bearing on the right side, and with the reports of Botterill's interest in Gardiner, as I've opined before, it's more than a bit obvious Botterill is rebuilding both sides of the D. Risto is the most likely odd man out on the right side. Quote
kas23 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Montour and Miller weren't brought in as depth players. I can confidently deduce they'll be on the right side on D come seasons start. True Bogo may be on IR for a portion of October, but Pilut has no bearing on the right side, and with the reports of Botterill's interest in Gardiner, as I've opined before, it's more than a bit obvious Botterill is rebuilding both sides of the D. Risto is the most likely odd man out on the right side. I agree with Montour. But whether we get the Miller of last year vs 2-3 years ago remains to be seen. Quote
Curt Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, kas23 said: I agree with Montour. But whether we get the Miller of last year vs 2-3 years ago remains to be seen. Was Miller really a lot worse than in previous seasons? What did he do worse? I didn’t really watch him at all. His TOI and offensive production was in line with the previous season. Edited July 22, 2019 by Curt Quote
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Curt said: If Vegas trades Stastny, then THEY have no 2C. They are trying to win a cup. They don’t want to enter the season with a ? at 2C. That my thinking at least. I saw that too, after the fact. That could be why Botts hasn't found that 2C yet, most teams are in that same situation. I went through the teams rosters and there really isn't much out there that's worth paying anything for. Some have also moved already (JT Miller, Anisimov, etc). We might just have to hope Mitts steps up. We brought over Routsalainin (sp?)....anyone know if there's any players in Europe worthwhile to take a chance on? Not named Derek Roy. Edited July 22, 2019 by MakeSabresGrr8Again Quote
North Buffalo Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: I saw that too, after the fact. That could be why Botts hasn't found that 2C yet, most teams are in that same situation. I went through the teams rosters and there really isn't much out there that's worth paying anything for. Some have also moved already (JT Miller, Anisimov, etc). We might just have to hope Mitts steps up. Yup big if ???, 2C by committee... Mitts, Johannson, possibly Sam.. and Erod as an emergency... Edited July 22, 2019 by North Buffalo Quote
triumph_communes Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Curt said: Was Miller really a lot worse than in previous seasons? What did he do worse? I didn’t really watch him at all. His TOI and offensive production was in line with the previous season. He's been fine as long as he isn't your minute eater. Quote
nfreeman Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 Pretty good breakdown here of teams under pressure to make roster moves -- i.e. potential trade partners for the Sabres: https://theathletic.com/1090456/2019/07/23/unresolved-situations-around-the-nhl-that-could-force-further-trades/ 3 Quote
dudacek Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 Assuming Bogo is going to be ready to play around the beginning of the season, what are the chances that either he or Scandella is flipped for some centre depth to a team that needs some blueline depth? Im thinking veteran stopgap moves, like Perreault or Bonino. Separately, if JBot is unable to flip Risto for a bigger fish, I still think the most likely move is that Kyle Turris will be a Sabre. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: Assuming Bogo is going to be ready to play around the beginning of the season, what are the chances that either he or Scandella is flipped for some centre depth to a team that needs some blueline depth? Im thinking veteran stopgap moves, like Perreault or Bonino. Separately, if JBot is unable to flip Risto for a bigger fish, I still think the most likely move is that Kyle Turris will be a Sabre. I continue to dislike you. Quote
dudacek Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, TrueBlueGED said: I continue to dislike you. You see it too, eh? 2 Quote
freester Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, dudacek said: Assuming Bogo is going to be ready to play around the beginning of the season, what are the chances that either he or Scandella is flipped for some centre depth to a team that needs some blueline depth? Im thinking veteran stopgap moves, like Perreault or Bonino. Separately, if JBot is unable to flip Risto for a bigger fish, I still think the most likely move is that Kyle Turris will be a Sabre. Turris has a terrible contract. I don’t want him unless a lot of salary is retained 1 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: You see it too, eh? I just find it hard to believe that after last year's disastrous forward performance that anyone could add Johansson and Vesey and call it a day. Turris is as likely as anyone to be that third addition due to (likely) cheap availability. Quote
dudacek Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, freester said: Turris has a terrible contract. I don’t want him unless a lot of salary is retained It’s risky for sure given his numbers last year, but it is reasonable for an average 2C. It will be interesting to see over the next few years if he trends after Derrick Brassard or Paul Stastny. Botts got a good look at him this spring at the Worlds. Quote
Lanny Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, freester said: Turris has a terrible contract. I don’t want him unless a lot of salary is retained Even with retention Turris' contract is too long. They're out from under Bogo and Scandella after this coming season. Quote
North Buffalo Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2019/07/report-maple-leafs-trade-garret-sparks.html Quote
Curt Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, dudacek said: It’s risky for sure given his numbers last year, but it is reasonable for an average 2C. It will be interesting to see over the next few years if he trends after Derrick Brassard or Paul Stastny. Botts got a good look at him this spring at the Worlds. Turris is going to be 30 already. $6M per for his ages 30-34 seasons? 5 more years? After he just had a terrible season? I don’t like it at all. He doesn’t fit as a veteran short term stop gap, or as a long term roster piece. I just don’t think he fits. 4 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Curt said: Turris is going to be 30 already. $6M per for his ages 30-34 seasons? 5 more years? After he just had a terrible season? I don’t like it at all. He doesn’t fit as a veteran short term stop gap, or as a long term roster piece. I just don’t think he fits. I can't say I'd be enthusiastic, but if you get get 50% retention, then Turris at $3M makes a lot more sense. Quote
Eleven Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: I can't say I'd be enthusiastic, but if you get get 50% retention, then Turris at $3M makes a lot more sense. That's the only way it makes any kind of sense. 2 Quote
... Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, Curt said: Turris is going to be 30 already. $6M per for his ages 30-34 seasons? 5 more years? After he just had a terrible season? I don’t like it at all. He doesn’t fit as a veteran short term stop gap, or as a long term roster piece. I just don’t think he fits. Agreed. I'd rather the "center by committee" concept referenced earlier. Find a better winger to partner with Sam and cycle ERod, Mitts and whomever in the 2C spot. Just wait until the right trade develops. Quote
dudacek Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ... said: Agreed. I'd rather the "center by committee" concept referenced earlier. Find a better winger to partner with Sam and cycle ERod, Mitts and whomever in the 2C spot. Just wait until the right trade develops. Are you willing to wait until December with Sam/Casey/MJ as the second line and Sheary/ERod/Vesey as line 3? Edited July 24, 2019 by dudacek Quote
shrader Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Are you willing to wait until December with Sam/Casey/MJ as the second line and Sheary/ERod/Vesey as line 3? Or even worse, December of 2020. Edited July 24, 2019 by shrader 2 Quote
dudacek Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 And to be clear, I’m not advocating for Turris at all. I do think that of the players that might be available cheap, he is the one who might help us the most right now. Which says more about the difficulty facing Jason than it does about anything else. Quote
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