Ross Rhea Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) Scandella, Mittlestadt and Vesey for Couture Edited November 10, 2019 by Ross Rhea Quote
3putt Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 12:57 AM, freester said: Botteril should not do this for a rental Expand Meh. It worked w Skinner. Kings fans I know seem to think he will get at least what Johansen got lsst year. 2nd and a 4th. Very similar production so I can see the ask. On 11/10/2019 at 12:57 AM, Ross Rhea said: Scandella, mittlestadt and vesey for coutur Expand Good luck!? Quote
Randall Flagg Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 12:54 AM, 3putt said: I think LA says keep Erod and asks for Samuelson or Borgen. Expand It'd be pretty easy to not give up much of substance for Toffoli, I'm not worried On 11/10/2019 at 12:52 AM, Zamboni said: My source tells me scandella, and Risto are being shopped hard. ERod and VO are being asked about too. i wouldn’t cry if any of those were moved as long as the return was fair/good. Expand Do you legit have a source? Quote
Brawndo Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Posted November 10, 2019 Friedman mentioned any deal the Sabres are talking about would be money in and money out. Quote
darksabre Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 1:27 AM, Brawndo said: Friedman mentioned any deal the Sabres are talking about would be money in and money out. Expand I mean, they kinda don't have a choice. 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 Lmao holy crap why are we so close to the cap with this product 2 2 Quote
freester Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 1:37 AM, Randall Flagg said: Lmao holy crap why are we so close to the cap with this product Expand We have a lot of bad contracts Okposo, Bogo,Scandella and Sheary Quote
sabremike Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 1:37 AM, Randall Flagg said: Lmao holy crap why are we so close to the cap with this product Expand Imagine the position we would be in right now if Berglund hadn't walked out and voluntarily had his contract voided last season? 2 1 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 1:41 AM, sabremike said: Imagine the position we would be in right now if Berglund hadn't walked out and voluntarily had his contract voided last season? Expand Meh. We'd be a worse team because we'd have Berglund instead of Johansson, but that's probably the only difference. Quote
Broken Ankles Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 1:40 AM, freester said: We have a lot of bad contracts Okposo, Bogo,Scandella and Sheary Expand You forgot Vlad and Hunwick. Quote
3putt Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 1:18 AM, Randall Flagg said: It'd be pretty easy to not give up much of substance for Toffoli, I'm not worried Do you legit have a source? Expand I think you undervalue Tofoli, or overvalue the fodder we are trying to shed. Quote
Brawndo Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 1:40 AM, freester said: We have a lot of bad contracts Okposo, Bogo,Scandella and Sheary Expand On 11/10/2019 at 4:01 AM, Broken Ankles said: You forgot Vlad and Hunwick. Expand True but it’s important to remember that Only one is signed beyond this year and Scandella has been one of their best defenseman this year. Quote
Zamboni Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 Haha. Conor Sheary is soooo not a bad contract. For what he produces in a season. For what he is ... $3 mil. is fair. KO and Bogo are the worst. Oh, and paying Hodgson 791K for three more years is a joke too. ? Quote
Curt Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 10:51 PM, darksabre said: We have to make another move to make room for him though if he's going to come cheap. I'm not trading Risto for him, ya know? Expand If LA added a good prospect or pick, and management had a decent idea that Toffoli may like being in Buffalo, I could get on board. Toffoli has been a 20-25 goal scorer who plays a good 2-way game. There aren’t a lot of those available. Quote
kas23 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 12:52 AM, Zamboni said: My source tells me scandella, and Risto are being shopped hard. ERod and VO are being asked about too. i wouldn’t cry if any of those were moved as long as the return was fair/good. Expand Let’s hope VO didn’t buy a house. He’s good, but given his age, I wonder how high his ceiling truly is. Quote
inkman Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 2:25 PM, kas23 said: Let’s hope VO didn’t buy a house. He’s good, but given his age, I wonder how high his ceiling truly is. Expand I don't wonder at all. He's at his ceiling. A PP specialist that's not good at anything 5 on 5. Quote
Curt Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 7:16 PM, inkman said: I don't wonder at all. He's at his ceiling. A PP specialist that's not good at anything 5 on 5. Expand He is probably at the peak of his physical abilities and skills, but as an NHL rookie there are probably technical adjustments he can make to adjust to the game at this highest level and improve his 5 on 5 play. Quote
Scottysabres Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 It won't matter what trade they make to be honest. It's not the players entirely. It's the culture and atmosphere around this team. Both the Sabres and Bills are just door mats for those going on to greater things, regardless if you like that comment or not, it's the bare bones truth. The owners? Maybe. But the losing culture, and the culture to not compete 100% of the game played is a constant problem with these teams, and has been long before the Pegula's arrived. Call it what you will, but I don't see it changing anytime soon. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 9:58 PM, Scottysabres said: It won't matter what trade they make to be honest. It's not the players entirely. It's the culture and atmosphere around this team. Both the Sabres and Bills are just door mats for those going on to greater things, regardless if you like that comment or not, it's the bare bones truth. The owners? Maybe. But the losing culture, and the culture to not compete 100% of the game played is a constant problem with these teams, and has been long before the Pegula's arrived. Call it what you will, but I don't see it changing anytime soon. Expand I don't see how anyone can actually watch either team play right now and think there's an effort problem. 2 Quote
Derrico Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 10:21 PM, TrueBlueGED said: I don't see how anyone can actually watch either team play right now and think there's an effort problem. Expand Agreed. But how can there still be a talent problem??? Both teams play in leagues with salary caps. Both teams routinely pick in the top 10 to 15 in the draft. Again, just probability says this city should have 3, pushing 4 championships by now. That’s simply probability alone. Both franchises have been an embarrassment, save for 2 Sabres seasons, since the turn of the century. It’s been nearly 20 years now. What. The. *****. Is going on?? Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 10:39 PM, Derrico said: Agreed. But how can there still be a talent problem??? Both teams play in leagues with salary caps. Both teams routinely pick in the top 10 to 15 in the draft. Again, just probability says this city should have 3, pushing 4 championships by now. That’s simply probability alone. Both franchises have been an embarrassment, save for 2 Sabres seasons, since the turn of the century. It’s been nearly 20 years now. What. The. *****. Is going on?? Expand Well, when you chain together some bad decisions across regimes it can be hard to turn it around. Some combination of having the wrong priorities and picking the wrong plays with, yes, some bad luck tossed in for good measure. Put a little differently, I think for both teams they've done some good things in the past 5 or so years, but those good things have been mostly singles while the misses have been catastrophic strikeouts. Mixing sports metaphors is the best. I don't think there's rampant incompetence, just a lot of things adding up. Every NFL team misses on QBs, but missing on the QB hurts a lot more than hitting on a CB helps. Ya know? In the trade that shall not be named, Botterill identified the player as the problem rather than the coach. That's a lot more painful than the help Johansson brings as a value added UFA. And so on. 1 Quote
bunomatic Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) On 11/10/2019 at 10:21 PM, TrueBlueGED said: I don't see how anyone can actually watch either team play right now and think there's an effort problem. Expand At least in regards to the Sabres There are times within the game where effort disappears for mere moments and we get scored on. This team appears to be going hard but there are let downs and we are scored on. There are plays by our best players where they stop thinking momentarily and we get scored on( I’m looking at you Dahlin )so yes there are effort problems and there are brainfarts. And to be fair there are cases of the other team just being good at their jobs and we get scored on. Edited November 10, 2019 by bunomatic Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 11:19 PM, bunomatic said: At least in regards to the Sabres There are times within the game where effort disappears for mere moments and we get scored on. This team appears to be going hard but there are let downs and we are scored on. There are plays by our best players where they stop thinking momentarily and we get scored on( I’m looking at you Dahlin )so yes there are effort problems and there are brainfarts. And to be fair there are cases of the other team just being good at their jobs and we get scored on. Expand I just think it's hard to necessarily equate breakdowns in play with breakdowns in effort. Is a bad pass a lazy pass or did he legitimately just not see the opponent? Stuff like that. I have a pretty strong prior that fans tend to gravitate towards effort-based explanations, probably because it's easier. But that doesn't mean it's the right explanation. 5 Quote
Derrico Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 I just don’t know why neither team ever hits the triple or ‘gasp’ home run. What moves have been made in the last decade plus for either franchise that paid off more than anyone expected? Olofsson seems like the first sabres pick outside the first two rounds in forever who is contributing in any meaningful way. Again, in a salary cap era neither franchise has an excuse for the absolute disgrace they have been for over a decade. A decade. Mind boggling how there is STILL no end in sight. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 11:36 PM, Derrico said: I just don’t know why neither team ever hits the triple or ‘gasp’ home run. What moves have been made in the last decade plus for either franchise that paid off more than anyone expected? Olofsson seems like the first sabres pick outside the first two rounds in forever who is contributing in any meaningful way. Again, in a salary cap era neither franchise has an excuse for the absolute disgrace they have been for over a decade. A decade. Mind boggling how there is STILL no end in sight. Expand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote
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