Weave Posted June 15, 2019 Report Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 10:57 PM, Brawndo said: Sheary is 50 weeks older than Vesey, they are less than a year apart in age. Would he be an improvement over Wilson or Zemgus is a better question Expand Wow. Why does Sheary SEEM a fair bit older than Vesey? Quote
Scottysabres Posted June 15, 2019 Report Posted June 15, 2019 I remember our interest in him what was it, 2, 3 years ago? Didn't we give up a pick for his rights and he didn't sign here? Not that it matters any, that is just how I remember him, I haven't seen him play but only against the Sabres. Any info on him like his speed, does he check well, is he a two way forward, a grinder, a pest? Quote
inkman Posted June 15, 2019 Report Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 11:18 PM, Scottysabres said: I remember our interest in him what was it, 2, 3 years ago? Didn't we give up a pick for his rights and he didn't sign here? Expand I feel this is akin to saying: Didn't some Bills kicker miss a kick to win an important game a while back. I'm sure I'm overstating it a bit but to have no recollection of his tie to the Sabres is beyond my comprehension. 3 Quote
nfreeman Posted June 15, 2019 Report Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 10:56 PM, TrueBlueGED said: So the guy with the same points and better possession metrics was near useless, where the other guy is a clear upgrade because he *may* have more upside. Good to see you taking the GA approach to evidence. Expand Did you not think that Sheary was useless for much of last season? If you were offered Vesey in exchange for Sheary, how would you respond? Quote
kas23 Posted June 15, 2019 Report Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 7:12 PM, klos1963 said: because he chose to sign with a team other than the Sabres? Grow up. Expand Really? Do you honestly think someone would say they still can’t sleep over that episode? Next time I’ll try to be more over the top and say that I’ve sending him daily bombs in the mail or have a life-sized effigy of him in my basement. Lol. Quote
Mustache of God Posted June 15, 2019 Report Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 11:05 PM, Weave said: Wow. Why does Sheary SEEM a fair bit older than Vesey? Expand Probably his Stanley cup rings? 1 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 10:04 PM, inkman said: I don't like the idea of letting a guy off the hook for not choosing Buffalo. I don't want sloppy seconds. He had his chance. Piss off Jimmy. Expand Didn't you just tell us to get over the O'Reilly trade? Get over Vesey. On 6/15/2019 at 11:47 PM, nfreeman said: Did you not think that Sheary was useless for much of last season? If you were offered Vesey in exchange for Sheary, how would you respond? Expand I would say no. Sheary is the better player by all available metrics other than height. 2 Quote
inkman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) On 6/16/2019 at 12:00 AM, TrueBlueGED said: Didn't you just tell us to get over the O'Reilly trade? Get over Vesey. Expand I haven't mentioned Vesey until he was brought into this thread. I just don't like the principal of trading for a guy who chose elsewhere. Edited June 16, 2019 by inkman Quote
Hoss Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 10:47 PM, nfreeman said: Based on the fact that Sheary is fully cooked and was essentially useless for most of last season, while Vesey is younger, bigger and may have more upside. I would certainly rather have Kreider, but he would cost a lot more than Vesey and I’m skeptical that the Rangers will end up trading him. You’re right that Vesey would cause angst in some fans, but I think it would be a small minority. Expand Have you watched a game against Vesey? Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 10:47 PM, nfreeman said: Based on the fact that Sheary is fully cooked and was essentially useless for most of last season, while Vesey is younger, bigger and may have more upside. Expand Lol. Vesey is a 3 year nhl vet who's already 26. Compared to Sheary who is 27 and a 4 year vet. So basically you just want someone bigger. Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) On 6/16/2019 at 1:43 AM, inkman said: I just don't like the principal of trading for a guy who chose elsewhere Expand So you didn't want Jim Kelly to play for the Bills? (Yes I know we didn't trade for him but he said unequivocally he'd never play for the Bills.) Edited June 16, 2019 by Doohickie Quote
Scottysabres Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 11:46 PM, inkman said: I feel this is akin to saying: Didn't some Bills kicker miss a kick to win an important game a while back. I'm sure I'm overstating it a bit but to have no recollection of his tie to the Sabres is beyond my comprehension. Expand No recollection would have been "who"? Which is what I felt like saying to begin with ? 1 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:15 AM, LGR4GM said: Lol. Vesey is a 3 year nhl vet who's already 26. Compared to Sheary who is 27 and a 4 year vet. So basically you just want someone bigger. Expand I fundamentally don't understand the hate that Sheary gets. Were people's expectations especially unrealistic? He's a solid 3rd line player who produced as such. 3 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:39 AM, TrueBlueGED said: I fundamentally don't understand the hate that Sheary gets. Were people's expectations especially unrealistic? He's a solid 3rd line player who produced as such. Expand He was almost exactly what I thought he'd be. I wanted a little more but I was not disappointed. Quote
inkman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:22 AM, Doohickie said: So you didn't want Jim Kelly to play for the Bills? (Yes I know we didn't trade for him but he said unequivocally he'd never play for the Bills.) Expand I didn't like him, that's for sure. I can't tie it to his USFL jaunt. I just diliked his persona. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 16, 2019 Author Report Posted June 16, 2019 SB Nation Minnesota Wild’s Blog proposed a trade of Jason Zucker to the Sabres for 31 and Nylander. Thoughts? Quote
inkman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:15 AM, LGR4GM said: Lol. Vesey is a 3 year nhl vet who's already 26. Compared to Sheary who is 27 and a 4 year vet. So basically you just want someone bigger. Expand I mean. Duh! ? On 6/16/2019 at 2:50 AM, Brawndo said: SB Nation Minnesota Wild’s Blog proposed a trade of Jason Zucker to the Sabres for 31 and Nylander. Thoughts? Expand Is 31 a goalie or something? I don't know their numbers. ? 1 Quote
dudacek Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:39 AM, TrueBlueGED said: I fundamentally don't understand the hate that Sheary gets. Were people's expectations especially unrealistic? He's a solid 3rd line player who produced as such. Expand He was that player at the beginning and the end of the season. For me it was the 40-something games in the middle where he scored exactly 3 goals and gave us literally nothing else - no forecheck, no backcheck, no breakout and some of worst puck battle and engagement I’ve seen since the days of Marc-Andre Gragnani. Forgive me for channeling @nfreeman, but when the season was on the line he was nowhere to be found. 2 Quote
dudacek Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:50 AM, Brawndo said: SB Nation Minnesota Wild’s Blog proposed a trade of Jason Zucker to the Sabres for 31 and Nylander. Thoughts? Expand I think zucker would help and we can afford to use those assets, but I’d prefer we used them for a centre. I also think one of those assets needs to be dialed back; the Blues 2 and Nylander? P31 and CJ Smith? That’s basically what we paid for Montour and he’s 4 years younger and an RD. Quote
inkman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:55 AM, dudacek said: He was that player at the beginning and the end of the season. For me it was the 40-something games in the middle where he scored exactly 3 goals and gave us literally nothing else - no forecheck, no backcheck, no breakout and some of worst puck battle and engagement I’ve seen since the days of Marc-Andre Gragnani. Forgive me for channeling @nfreeman, but when the season was on the line he was nowhere to be found. Expand A MAG reference. Love it. On 6/16/2019 at 3:00 AM, dudacek said: I think zucker would help and we can afford to use those assets, but I’d prefer we used them for a centre. I also think one of those assets needs to be dialed back; the Blues 2 and Nylander? P31 and CJ Smith? That’s basically what we paid for Montour and he’s 4 years younger and an RD. Expand Ooooooooh. 31 is a draft pick. Man. Dumb this ***** down. Quote
Huckleberry Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 2:55 AM, dudacek said: He was that player at the beginning and the end of the season. For me it was the 40-something games in the middle where he scored exactly 3 goals and gave us literally nothing else - no forecheck, no backcheck, no breakout and some of worst puck battle and engagement I’ve seen since the days of Marc-Andre Gragnani. Forgive me for channeling @nfreeman, but when the season was on the line he was nowhere to be found. Expand We also have enough players that fall over at the slightest push. 1 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) On 6/16/2019 at 2:55 AM, dudacek said: He was that player at the beginning and the end of the season. For me it was the 40-something games in the middle where he scored exactly 3 goals and gave us literally nothing else - no forecheck, no backcheck, no breakout and some of worst puck battle and engagement I’ve seen since the days of Marc-Andre Gragnani. Forgive me for channeling @nfreeman, but when the season was on the line he was nowhere to be found. Expand Who did give us anything during that stretch? Why zero in on a 3rd liner? If he had performed the same way all season he'd have put up a top-6 season. Maybe a more equal distribution of those 35 points is what you're looking for, but that's just not how 3rd liners normally produce. In fact, I'd say the consistent 3rd liner is close to a myth Edited June 16, 2019 by TrueBlueGED Quote
nfreeman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 1:52 AM, Hoss said: Have you watched a game against Vesey? Expand This is obnoxious. On 6/16/2019 at 2:15 AM, LGR4GM said: Lol. Vesey is a 3 year nhl vet who's already 26. Compared to Sheary who is 27 and a 4 year vet. So basically you just want someone bigger. Expand Bigger and stronger. And also different from the guy who was given an opportunity on a new team that needed something from him and did nothing with it. Quote
nfreeman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 1:01 PM, TrueBlueGED said: Who did give us anything during that stretch? Why zero in on a 3rd liner? If he had performed the same way all season he'd have put up a top-6 season. Expand To return to the original premise: saying I’d rather have Vesey than Sheary isn’t “zeroing in” on Sheary. My point wasn’t that there is an urgent need to get rid of Sheary — I was just using Sheary as an example of someone the Sabres have that Vesey would represent an upgrade over. Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 16, 2019 Report Posted June 16, 2019 He's not an upgrade, he's just bigger. You want a guy bigger and stronger who produces basically the same. Sheary has more upside production wise. That's fine but I'm not a fan of wasting assets on a 3rd line guy when I need better top 6 players. 4 Quote
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