Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Crosby? He has done a lot more than any of them on that list, but right now I am not sure where I would put Crosby. He is 32 and starting is hurt more often. Age is starting to catch up to him. Quote
Curt Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, New Scotland (NS) said: He has done a lot more than any of them on that list, but right now I am not sure where I would put Crosby. He is 32 and starting is hurt more often. Age is starting to catch up to him. Last 6 seasons games played: 80, 77, 80, 75, 82, 79. He missed ~10 early this year, but he doesn’t have an injury problem. Last 6 seasons points: 104, 84, 85, 89, 89, 100 Last 6 seasons Selke voting finish: 18th, 19th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 4th After McDavid it’s tight but I think Crosby is still right there with MacKinnon and almost certainly ahead of Eichel. Matthews is not close. Edited December 16, 2019 by Curt Quote
Thorner Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 8 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Crosby? If I had to pick a guy to win one game, one series, one playoffs....it's still Sid. 2 Quote
Doohicksie Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 18 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Crosby? Not anymore Quote
Curt Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, Doohickie said: Not anymore Why not? What has he gotten worse at? Quote
Doohicksie Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 Not sure. I just don't see him as being as much of a factor as he used to be. This is just my uneducated observation. It doesn't help that he's been out with an injury for over a month. Quote
Curt Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, Doohickie said: Not sure. I just don't see him as being as much of a factor as he used to be. This is just my uneducated observation. It doesn't help that he's been out with an injury for over a month. Yes, I agree. Over the past month he hasn’t been elite. 2 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 Eichel is absolutely blazing hot right now. "In the zone," as someone pointed out we used to say before analytics put a stank on the idea. So, this may not be the best time to choose between the two players. OR ... it's the perfect time. EI-CHEL! EI-CHEL! EI-CHEL! Quote
Crusader1969 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 Right now, the question should be “who’s next behind McDavid - Eichel or MacKinnon?” Matthews has fallen fairly substantially behind 1 Quote
Radar Posted December 16, 2019 Report Posted December 16, 2019 EICHEL!!!!!!??? I'm a homer but that's my opinion. I'm sticking to it. Quote
bunomatic Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 Well tonight should add fuel to the fire. Lets see how they match up head to head . Quote
French Collection Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 Matthews has only 3 points in his last 5 games, keep him at that pace boys. Maybe Babcock wasn’t the big meanie that held him back. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) MacKinnon vs Eichel in pts per game year 1 Mac - .77 ; Jack .69 year 2 Mac .59; Jack .93 year 3 Mac .72; Jack .96 year 4 Mac . 65; Jack 1.07 Year 5 Mac 1.31; Jack (so far) 1.41 Mac through 5 years 374 gp 114g 189a 303pts or .81p/gp and .31 g/gp For his career 6.5 years 489gp 175g 278a 453 pts or .93p/gp and .36g/gp Jack through 4.5 years 320 gp 124g 183a 307 pts or .96p/gp and .39g/gp I’ll take Jack. Edited December 17, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote
Cascade Youth Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 I’ve been hard on a Eichel this year because he seemed mopey to me (tho understandable). He seems to have stepped up and matured a bit during the season. Jack is the best passer I’ve ever seen - he knows where everyone is at all times, he has a “six sense” for the game that only the great ones possess. He’s unselfish with the puck to a fault. He’s also ox strong with the puck. Matthews seems to me like a natural scorer but lacks mental toughness and needs a structure around him in order to thrive. I’m happy with the one we’ve got. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 To the 3 people who voted for Matthews please explain why? Is he a faster skater? Is he a better playmaker? Is he better in his own zone? Is he a better goal scorer? I’ll grant that he is better in the faceoff circle. So far this season Jack has more goals, more assists, thus more points. His plus/minus is better, he has more GWG, they are even in blocks, and Jack has more hits. Jack also has more PPG and leads the NHL with 17 even strength goals (Matthews has 14). Quote
Marions Piazza Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: To the 3 people who voted for Matthews please explain why? Is he a faster skater? Is he a better playmaker? Is he better in his own zone? Is he a better goal scorer? I’ll grant that he is better in the faceoff circle. So far this season Jack has more goals, more assists, thus more points. His plus/minus is better, he has more GWG, they are even in blocks, and Jack has more hits. Jack also has more PPG and leads the NHL with 17 even strength goals (Matthews has 14). I'd like to see a few more years of this before you can definitively say Eichel is better. The fact that Matthews is 'slumping' at 1 PPG still means one helluva hockey player. I think it's more likely that Matthews improves on his PPG than Eichel is to keep his torrid pace up. 1 Quote
dudacek Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 It’s going to be on the shoulders of the John Tavares line and the defence pair of Jake Muzzin and Justin Holl to help contain Eichel and linemates Victor Olofsson and Sam Reinhart. “We trust our team structure and our team defensive play to play against anybody, but most often you’ll see the Tavares group with (Eichel’s line),” Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe said after a team meeting, eschewing a morning skate. Clearly the Leafs don’t trust the Stache out against Jack...? Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, Marions Piazza said: I'd like to see a few more years of this before you can definitively say Eichel is better. The fact that Matthews is 'slumping' at 1 PPG still means one helluva hockey player. I think it's more likely that Matthews improves on his PPG than Eichel is to keep his torrid pace up. Ok but what makes him a better player? Quote
French Collection Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Ok but what makes him a better player? Leafs nation has more members than us. 1 Quote
nfreeman Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Ok but what makes him a better player? Well, until this year, Mathews has been a better goalscorer. He's also played better at best-on-best tournaments. Right now, Jack is ahead, but there are quite a few chapters to be written. Hopefully, these 2 stars and teams will be blood rivals and cup contenders for the next 10 years. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Well, until this year, Mathews has been a better goalscorer. He's also played better at best-on-best tournaments. Right now, Jack is ahead, but there are quite a few chapters to be written. Hopefully, these 2 stars and teams will be blood rivals and cup contenders for the next 10 years. Better goal scorer sure (now more maybe), but not a better passer, skater, 2 way player, or playmaker. Being a one trick pony makes him a star, but not a better player. He is a younger and better Skinner. He'll never be in the Kucherov, Kane, MacKinnon, Crosby, McDavid, Draisiatl or even Barkov debate as an elite all around player. Edited December 17, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote
Thorner Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) Matthews is better than Draisaitl. Draisaitl is overrated by quite a lot Terrible defensively and feeds off McDavid at the other end Edited December 17, 2019 by Thorny Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thorny said: Matthews is better than Draisaitl. Draisaitl is overrated by quite a lot Terrible defensively and feeds off McDavid at the other end Who would you rather have Reinhart or Draisaitl? Be honest. Quote
Thorner Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Well, until this year, Mathews has been a better goalscorer. He's also played better at best-on-best tournaments. Right now, Jack is ahead, but there are quite a few chapters to be written. Hopefully, these 2 stars and teams will be blood rivals and cup contenders for the next 10 years. What, the world juniors? I guess, ya. Matthews had 14 points in 12 games, Eichel had 9 in 10. So, a roughly 11 points in 12 games equivalent. It’s 3 points and a tiny sample size. Mittelstadt has a better WJC ppg than Matthews. Please don’t mention the Team North America gimmick. 2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Who would you rather have Reinhart or Draisaitl? Be honest. Draisaitl Edited December 17, 2019 by Thorny Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 17, 2019 Report Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: What, the world juniors? I guess, ya. Matthews had 14 points in 12 games, Eichel had 9 in 10. So, a roughly 11 points in 14 games equivalent. It’s 3 points and a tiny sample size. Mittelstadt has a better WJC ppg than Matthews. Please don’t mention the Team North America gimmick. Draisaitl Darcy had that choice and missed. Sam is a fine player, but Jack with Leon would be an even better combo then Jack and Sam. Edited December 17, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN 2 Quote
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