EDIT Bogosian Requests Trade, Now EROD wants One As Well

[miles]

erod doesnt even have a goal at this point. complaining like this, hopefully he has another skill to fall back on. you dont want to be seen as a fringe player on the worst team in hockey and be a trouble maker

[Eleven]

14 hours ago, SwampD said:

That’s much different than him saying he wants to be traded.

Yes it is.  And people should pay attention to the difference.

[Gatorman0519]

Another perspective:  a lot of players Seem to lose their love of hockey or want out playing for this franchise.  Something very wrong.  

[Scottysabres]

37 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said:

Another perspective:  a lot of players Seem to lose their love of hockey or want out playing for this franchise.  Something very wrong.  

Not that I will particularly miss Bogo or E-Rod, but, it is apparent there is a serious problem within the organization here in Buffalo.

[SHAAAUGHT!!!]

1 hour ago, Scottysabres said:

Not that I will particularly miss Bogo or E-Rod, but, it is apparent there is a serious problem within the organization here in Buffalo.

The only organizational problem this is evidence of is that the Sabres have a bad habit of signing some pretentious entitled crybaby *****.  BOGO and eRod are the latest two players on this list that previously included such hits as Patrik Berglund, Ryan O'Reilly, and Robin Lehner.  Okposo and Larry both struggled for years after coming back from injuries but they took their lumps, put the work in, and are now performing better than anyone expected this season.  

Nothing is worse than people under-performing at their job and then blaming others for their lack of success.  Except maybe racism.  Racism is really bad too...

[Cascade Youth]

Maybe I want a trade.

[LTS]

I love the takes in here.

Let's see if this is how things look right now:

• Zach Bogosian has not been a favorite around here for a long time, he even has a bunker.
• Evan Rodrigues has been questioned by many, and stated to be JAG.
• Sabres GM brings in players to create competition and those players prove to be better than Rodrigues and Bogosian.
• Rodrigues and Bogosian indicate they would like to be traded because they can't crack the roster anymore.
• The response here is that the GM has failed the organization and that the organization is a joke.

I'm not sure how the GM has failed if that GM has brought in talent that has pushed out players that didn't belong here in the first place.

I agree, they've tried to trade Rodrigues, no one wants him.  Waive him to Rochester.  Let him enjoy his time there.

These players think they are more valuable to the team, but when given time on the ice their play fails to show it. I don't want that kind of player on my team, ever. You get your shot, you take it. If you don't succeed you don't turn around and blame the organization.

These players are terrible, and whether they are actually terrible or they are upset about their situation so they aren't even trying to play better, it doesn't matter to me. The end result is the same. They suck, they need to go and the good news.. they will be gone soon, no matter what.

[Pimlach]

Last year I thought ERod could be a decent 4th liner with the utility of being able to move up in a game to play center or wing If the situation dictated it.  
 

This year he has been a lost soul.  24 games averaging  10 minutes and totaling 0 goals and 3 points.  He might not like RK demanding defensive responsibility and earning minutes.  Poor baby. 
 

I just looked at the rosters and stats of Tampa, St Louis, Boston, NYI, and Washington -  all strong teams.  Look at their forwards that play the least minutes.  You will see grizzled vets,  or young hard working bangers, or young skill prospects coming up.   You see these guys score even in limited roles.  I will trade ERod for any low minute forward from any of these teams.  The problem is those teams won’t make that trade unless they are dumping salaries and they won’t trade valuable pieces until the deadline.  
 

Now do the same with Detroit, New Jersey, San Jose, etc.  These teams have a lot of junk like ERod, so trading our junk for their junk is not going help.   It’s best to trade him in a package. I wish he or his agent would have just kept quiet.  

Waiving him and sending him to Rochester if he clears waivers is a bad option.  We don’t need him poisoning Rochester.  

Waiving him and giving him away to make a statement is an option.  I think he ends up getting picked up if waived.  What happens to his salary if he is waived?  

Edited January 1, 2020 by Pimlach

[Doohicksie]

He's on a $2M expiring contract.

[thewookie1]

Trade Erod for Jankowski and Bogo for Simmonds?

[GASabresIUFAN]

How about doing something, anything, to try to make this team better.  Trade ERod and Bogo for two McDonalds hamburgers and a bag of donuts.  That’s all they are worth.

[SHAAAUGHT!!!]

21 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How about doing something, anything, to try to make this team better.  Trade ERod and Bogo for two McDonalds hamburgers and a bag of donuts.  That’s all they are worth.

Agreed.  Bogo's contract will get easier to move as the season goes on, but right now I can't imagine there are a lot of teams that want to pay him $5MM as a bottom pair defenseman unless we send a pick or prospect along as well. eRodent on the other hand might fetch a conditional 5-7th rounder.  

Neither of those options help us immediately, unless it is just to clear up cap space to make a bigger move.  Which poses the question: JBotts - why haven't you made a move yet???

[Scottysabres]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How about doing something, anything, to try to make this team better.  Trade ERod and Bogo for two McDonalds hamburgers and a bag of donuts.  That’s all they are worth.

I question the donuts, I saw the 7-11 bag they came out of......

[DarthEbriate]

Whether he requested a trade or just doesn't see himself on the team next season is irrelevant. ERod had the opportunity as the 2nd line center with Skinner. He lost it. He had the opportunity to beat out Mittelstadt for minutes and failed at that. He had the opportunity to be a PKer -- Asplund took that job. He had the opportunity to come to the aid of Eichel, Dahlin, and Sobotka after they had been run. Dalton was signed for that. Good. I'm glad he's upset. But he'd better be upset at himself. And no one is going to trade for him. The best thing he could have done was start to produce in whatever manner makes the Sabres victorious to make himself attractive to other GMs.

Likewise with Bogo. They're both going to other teams next season (if they're in the league) and neither of them is getting a raise. They can be upset and request a trade all they want but they've had the opportunity to shine on one of the most talent-deficient rosters in the league the last couple seasons and they've done little if anything to improve it.

[Weave]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How about doing something, anything, to try to make this team better.  Trade ERod and Bogo for two McDonalds hamburgers and a bag of donuts.  That’s all they are worth.

And therein lies the mess.  The guys we need to move on from are worth burgers and donuts.  How do we make deals to make the team better when the players that need to be displaced aren't going to be welcome on any other team roster?

JBott has made himself a mess.

[GASabresIUFAN]

26 minutes ago, Weave said:

And therein lies the mess.  The guys we need to move on from are worth burgers and donuts.  How do we make deals to make the team better when the players that need to be displaced aren't going to be welcome on any other team roster?

JBott has made himself a mess.

Bogo was TM’s.  ERod should have been re-signed. He earned that K last year with his effort. Unfortunately it hasn’t translated with the new coach. 

Bogo was un-tradeable and remains so because of bad play and injury history.  Nothing Jbot could do nothing but hope he had remained on LTIR.  

Jbot’s failing is not finding a 2C. He dumped ROR and hasn’t yet filled the role. That’s on him and remains his main failing as our GM so far.

Edited January 1, 2020 by GASabresIUFAN

[woods-racer]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Bogo was TM’s.  ERod should have been re-signed. He earned that K last year with his effort. Unfortunately it hasn’t translated with the new coach. 

Bogo was un-tradeable and remains so because of bad play and injury history.  Nothing Jbot could do nothing but hope he had remained on LTIR.  

Jbot’s failing is not finding a 2C. He dumped ROR and hasn’t yet filled the role. That’s on him and remains his main failing as our GM so far.

I agree with most of this.

I think Pegula's ( and I'm not sure if it's just one or both ) emotions also got involved with the ROR trade situation. So I don't put full blame on Botterill for that. He very well may have told Pegula(s) that it was a bad trade and all he got in response was *I don't care I want him gone*.

 

[Weave]

21 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Bogo was TM’s.  ERod should have been re-signed. He earned that K last year with his effort. Unfortunately it hasn’t translated with the new coach. 

Bogo was un-tradeable and remains so because of bad play and injury history.  Nothing Jbot could do nothing but hope he had remained on LTIR.  

Jbot’s failing is not finding a 2C. He dumped ROR and hasn’t yet filled the role. That’s on him and remains his main failing as our GM so far.

Excuses.  Plenty of other teams have managed to shed bad contracts.  And this was always Erod.  He's the same player.  Resigning him was a bad read.  Especially if he doesn't mesh with the coach's philosophy.

[Zamboni]

3 hours ago, Weave said:

Excuses.  Plenty of other teams have managed to shed bad contracts.  And this was always Erod.  He's the same player.  Resigning him was a bad read.  Especially if he doesn't mesh with the coach's philosophy.

Yea. I’ll agree with that.

[Curt]

5 hours ago, Weave said:

Excuses.  Plenty of other teams have managed to shed bad contracts. 

And they have given up valuable assets to do it.

[Zamboni]

9 hours ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

Agreed.  Bogo's contract will get easier to move as the season goes on, but right now I can't imagine there are a lot of teams that want to pay him $5MM as a bottom pair defenseman unless we send a pick or prospect along as well. eRodent on the other hand might fetch a conditional 5-7th rounder.  

Neither of those options help us immediately, unless it is just to clear up cap space to make a bigger move.  Which poses the question: JBotts - why haven't you made a move yet???

The thing is ... and correct me if I’m wrong, his full salary for the year may be 5mil. But for the remainder of the season, his actual salary owed is now roughly half that with half the season gone. So a team who wants veteran depth in the playoffs may consider Bogo in a month or so. Key word ... may (injury history and all)

with his contract expiring in April ... who knows ...

Edited January 2, 2020 by Zamboni

[PerreaultForever]

ERod wants a trade - LMFAO. To where? The KHL?

Honestly, I'm sure everybody on the roster (except maybe Skinner who simply took the money) wants a trade, wouldn't you?

[Taro T]

3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

ERod wants a trade - LMFAO. To where? The KHL?

Honestly, I'm sure everybody on the roster (except maybe Skinner who simply took the money) wants a trade, wouldn't you?

Honestly, truly doubt that.  Granted, if we don't see them get the ship righted in the next few games, could see them getting there.  But there is something about Krueger that seems like a true leader, and it doesn't seem that the team is tuning him out.  The guys that have asked out are the guys that can't work their way into the lineup.  And guys that earlier wanted out prior to RK's signing, like Ristolainen, actually seem to want to be here.

[Curt]

5 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

ERod wants a trade - LMFAO. To where? The KHL?

Honestly, I'm sure everybody on the roster (except maybe Skinner who simply took the money) wants a trade, wouldn't you?

I think you may be projecting your own feelings into the players.  

They have not quit.  They are giving an honest effort.  They are still showing up.  I honestly can’t say that that’s always been true in years past.

Your feelings about the team may be at rock bottom right now, but I honestly don’t think the team is at rock bottom right now.

[nucci]

18 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How about doing something, anything, to try to make this team better.  Trade ERod and Bogo for two McDonalds hamburgers and a bag of donuts.  That’s all they are worth.

not a very healthy return though