GDT: 11/16/19 Ottawa vs. Buffalo, 7 p.m., MSG, WGR550.

[grinreaper]

No one here has mentioned how well they closed out the game last night. For the last 5 minutes or so they mainly kept the puck in Ottawa's zone. Even with the goalie pulled Ottawa didn't look dangerous.

[Curt]

11 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

It was his first 4 point game I think

It was his 3rd 4 point game this season alone!

[woods-racer]

2 minutes ago, Curt said:

It was his 3rd 4 point game this season alone!

His first 4 goal game since...…??

 

[Stoner]

8 minutes ago, woods-racer said:

His first 4 goal game since...…??

 

Never. In fact he became only the eighth Sabre to ever do it (Martin, Ruff, Andreychuk, Tucker, Mogilny, Satan, Vanek). Andreychuk did it and scored one more to boot. Tucker did it in the playoffs against the Dastardlies. The last Sabre to do it before last night was Vanek in 2010 against... Ottawa.

Jack becomes the first Sabre center to score four goals in a game and the first Sabre to score all four of the goals the team scored in a game. And Jack's natural hat trick was the first for a Sabre in 10 years (also Vanek).

An amazing factoid I saw while looking all that up: when the Sabres lost infamously to the Senators, 10-4, early in the 05-06 season, two Senators scored four goals, Havlat and Alfredsson.

[Randall Flagg]

Interesting developments re Dahlin and Jason and maybe icing. I don't think I remember the play.

[woods-racer]

2 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Never. In fact he became only the eighth Sabre to ever do it (Martin, Ruff, Andreychuk, Tucker, Mogilny, Satan, Vanek). Andreychuk did it and scored one more to boot. Tucker did it in the playoffs against the Dastardlies. The last Sabre to do it before last night was Vanek in 2010 against... Ottawa.

Jack becomes the first Sabre center to score four goals in a game and the first Sabre to score all four of the goals the team scored in a game. And Jack's natural hat trick was the first for a Sabre in 10 years (also Vanek).

An amazing factoid I saw while looking all that up: when the Sabres lost infamously to the Senators, 10-4, early in the 05-06 season, two Senators scored four goals, Havlat and Alfredsson.

Listen to a GR interview of him post game.

They asked him *when was the last time you scored four goals?*

He couldn't remember when, but he was a kid.

[Randall Flagg]

I read on hf that just before the benching, Dahlin had just a minute of rest sandwiched by two shifts of ~1:40. I'm sure his legs were indeed dead. 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Randall Flagg

[Stoner]

1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said:

Interesting developments re Dahlin and Jason and maybe icing. I don't think I remember the play.

The brain bleach works if taken within 30 seconds of the event.

[bunomatic]

Just now, PASabreFan said:

The brain bleach works if taken within 30 seconds of the event.

 

[Thorner]

8 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

I think that was said about Myers too.

 

Totally similar players with equal pedigree, Dahlin and Myers 

[Thorner]

5 hours ago, billyudi said:

So the Athletic talks about why he was pulled. I remember the play and while not having the same reaction as Botterill, I did say WTF out loud.

“Also playing zero minutes in the third period was Sabres defenseman Rasmus Dahlin. The healthy 19-year-old was pinned to the bench. The No. 1 overall pick from 2018 took his last shift with 1:37 left in the second period.

The puck went into the corner in Buffalo’s zone and Dahlin had the edge in a race with an Ottawa forward. Inexplicably, Dahlin pulled up and slid back, allowing the Senators to gain control.

Botterill slammed the table in his press-box suite, stood up from his chair and walked away from the action. When he returned to watch, he stood with his arms crossed.”
 

https://theathletic.com/1384487/2019/11/17/thats-what-big-captains-do-inspired-jack-eichel-takes-matters-into-his-own-hands-with-four-goal-outburst/?source=shared-article

Coincidentally, that’s the same reaction I have every time I look at Jason’s ***** forward roster.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Thorny

[Thorner]

3 hours ago, Curt said:

It was his 3rd 4 point game this season alone!

This is interesting. So over 50% of his points this season have come in 3 games. Probably just an early season anomaly. 

19 games played: 

10 games with 0 points 

2 games with 1 point

3 games with 2 points 

1 game with 3 points

3 games with 4 points

- - - 

So he’s been held off the scoresheet in over half the games, and has more multi point games than games with 1 point. 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Thorny

[Stoner]

24 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Totally similar players with equal pedigree, Dahlin and Myers 

Maybe Tyler can show Rasmus his Calder Trophy sometime. (Yeah, I really don't care if you get a trophy to keep.)

[Thorner]

7 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Maybe Tyler can show Rasmus his Calder Trophy sometime. (Yeah, I really don't care if you get a trophy to keep.)

Myers had an impressive rookie year no doubt. But he was a full year and two months older than Dahlin at the time, hugely significant at that age, and playing on a considerably better team probably helped as well, division winners in 09-10. Dahlin was still the highest rated defence man of the year in terms of Calder voting. 

Myers also came back the next season and put up 11 points less than he did the season before, whereas this season Dahlin is pacing for 12 more than his rookie year. 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Thorny

[dudacek]

15 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Ullmark was strong tonight

He was. He didn’t steal the game, but he earned the win.

If we got that from Hutton we would have beat Carolina.

[Sidc3000]

4 hours ago, Curt said:

It was his 3rd 4 point game this season alone!

Yeah meant goals

[Broken Ankles]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

Totally similar players with equal pedigree, Dahlin and Myers 

Exactly.   Myers WON the Calder, and Dahlin finished third.   So he's close. ?