WildCard Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Why are there so few Ukrainian hockey players? Because it is feeble, and weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, drnkirishone said: Sounds like US politics. And not just currently ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 i always loved this bit, but, for whatever reason, i just now realized how absurd it is that they were playing risk on the subway. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: Or maybe it's about whether certain expectations of certain groups of people are reasonable, and about whether and how those expectations may be voiced, and whether those with whom one disagrees can fairly be dismissed as bigots or hate/fear-mongerers. All of these are political issues. And didn't you argue, during the not-so-glorious days of the debate over whether we should have a politics thread, that everything is political? Sure sounds like something I would have said. Politics certainly creeps its way into things, especially when people choose to make things about politics. (I didn't, here.) However, this isn't inherently about politics. It's about one person who has turned an in-between period segment from something that used to be sorta funny into a bully pulpit on all sorts of issues, many of which aren't political at all. (Tell me how Don Cherry's outdated views on enforcers (see my link above) are political, for example.) People are sick of Don Cherry's infectious presence in their hockey broadcasts. In my case, and I suspect the cases of others, too, I got sick of his self-aggrandizement (how insecure must one be to wear those suits!) a long time ago. He's gone and HNiC is better for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millbank Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 Don Cherry has been Don Cherry the good and the bad for 40 years on HNIC. That they have chosen to end his time now speaks more to the bottom line than any real moral outrage and acceptability . Ending him midseason, a old man clearly past his time rather than seasons end clearly to shame, the shame on those who enabled him for so many years. Don Cherry was the same person each of the forty years he on the program. It’s my opinion they would have been better to voice what he said as not what company stands for and was his private opinion stated simply this would be Don Cherrys final season. What indignation they have was far to late . Not a brave decision to toss a 85 year old man aside he clearly past his time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Why are there so few Ukrainian hockey players? I don't think it's much of a thing there. I dated an ethnically Ukranian (Russian by birth) gal for quite a while. No one in her family was into hockey at all. Soccer, on the other hand, was huge. 4 minutes ago, millbank said: Don Cherry has been Don Cherry the good and the bad for 40 years on HNIC. That they have chosen to end his time now speaks more to the bottom line than any real moral outrage and acceptability . Ending him midseason, a old man clearly past his time rather than seasons end clearly to shame, the shame on those who enabled him for so many years. Don Cherry was the same person each of the forty years he on the program. It’s my opinion they would have been better to voice what he said as not what company stands for and was his private opinion stated simply this would be Don Cherrys final season. What indignation they have was far to late . Not a brave decision to toss a 85 year old man aside he clearly past his time This isn't unfair in spirit. They should have gotten rid of him quite a while ago. But I disagree that he's been the same for 40 years. I see a progression--again, starting with French Canadians, then European players, and then into a general rage about everything that isn't the Same As It Was Back In The Day. Edited November 12, 2019 by Eleven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millbank Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Eleven said: I don't think it's much of a thing there. I dated an ethnically Ukranian (Russian by birth) gal for quite a while. No one in her family was into hockey at all. Soccer, on the other hand, was huge. This isn't unfair. They should have gotten rid of him quite a while ago. Yes the very least after last season. He and his opinions are not new. Late in the game to be outraged now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, millbank said: Yes the very least after last season. He and his opinions are not new. Late in the game to be outraged now . Yes, but everything reaches its critical mass, and nothing reaches it until it's actually reached. I guess in this case, it was finally too many slipcovers for the sofa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Eleven said: I don't think it's much of a thing there. I dated an ethnically Ukranian (Russian by birth) gal for quite a while. No one in her family was into hockey at all. Soccer, on the other hand, was huge. This isn't unfair in spirit. They should have gotten rid of him quite a while ago. But I disagree that he's been the same for 40 years. I see a progression--again, starting with French Canadians, then European players, and then into a general rage about everything that isn't the Same As It Was Back In The Day. Yea, I “enjoyed” Cherry for about 4-5 years back in the early to mid 90’s. But I grew tired of him and his shtick. Like you said, HNIC is better now. Move on ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 Now HNIC can take pride in virtue signaling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 BWAHAHAHAHAAA Can you imagine if he were in a position where he had to praise Russian players? HC Dynamo MoscowVerified account @dynamo_ru FollowFollow @dynamo_ru More Hey, Don Cherry @CoachsCornerDC. We heard that you were fired. It’s not good! Come to Russia, we need an analyst for Dynamo TV who could talk whatever he thinks. We love old soldiers. And we will make a nice suit! We hope you agree. #WeAreDynamo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, Eleven said: (You) People are sick of Don Cherry's infectious presence in their hockey broadcasts. In my case, and I suspect the cases of others, too, I got sick of his self-aggrandizement (how insecure must one be to wear those suits!) a long time ago. He's gone and HNiC is better for it. Are you sure it was not intended to be written like this? ? I've heard it has a greater impact like that. p.s. Thank you for introducing me to 'aggrandizement' - I had to look it up @ Merriam-Webster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 43 minutes ago, Eleven said: I don't think it's much of a thing there. I dated an ethnically Ukranian (Russian by birth) gal for quite a while. No one in her family was into hockey at all. Soccer, on the other hand, was huge. This isn't unfair in spirit. They should have gotten rid of him quite a while ago. But I disagree that he's been the same for 40 years. I see a progression--again, starting with French Canadians, then European players, and then into a general rage about everything that isn't the Same As It Was Back In The Day. Agree that his schtickt evolved through the years. The anti-French Canadian rants were gone by the time he'd started hawking his videos. ('Here's Mario the Magnificent with a beauty how's she going.') Not sure when the 'chicken Swedes' thing went away, but pretty sure that faded away too. (Probably about the time he was told to stop berating McLain on the air if he wanted to keep a job.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 It's a little sad and even maybe pitiable how things ended for Grapes. I generally enjoyed him. And, I mean, it's no mystery that he harboured xenophobic feelings for a whole variety of non-white, non-Anglo Canadians. I always likened him to everyone's "crazy Uncle Donny." He's over there in the recliner. He's a little drunk. He's often full of sh1t. He's funny. He's got some backwards ways of thinking about things, talking about things. He's got all kinds of stories. He's got a good heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC There is word this afternoon that LA has informed Ilya Kovalchuk he will be out of the lineup for the foreseeable future. He is welcome to practice with the club, but he will not be playing. Obviously, more details as they occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC There is word this afternoon that LA has informed Ilya Kovalchuk he will be out of the lineup for the foreseeable future. He is welcome to practice with the club, but he will not be playing. Obviously, more details as they occur. Whoa. What's going on there? Is DeLuca ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Eleven said: Whoa. What's going on there? Is DeLuca ok? No idea. Just saw it and thought maybe others here might know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Eleven said: Whoa. What's going on there? Is DeLuca ok? They finally listened to that Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: i always loved this bit, but, for whatever reason, i just now realized how absurd it is that they were playing risk on the subway. I’m not a Seinfeld fan but boy do I love risk. Glad I took the chance on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, #freejame said: I’m not a Seinfeld fan but boy do I love risk. Glad I took the chance on that. Freejame! Nevermind jame; free yourself from your bonds! Embrace Seinfeld! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 11:37 AM, dudacek said: Captures the essence of Lucic about as well as anything I’ve ever read. Except for the last few months Lehner was defined here by keeping the score 2-2 while being outshot 40-20, then making a mistake late to pick up the “L” and get all the blame for it. He was a much more capable player than fans ever gave him credit for. Agree, but I'd add that he was also defined as being terrible at shootouts and breakaways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Eleven said: Freejame! Nevermind jame; free yourself from your bonds! Embrace Seinfeld! I have a tough time with any sitcom in front of a studio audience or with a laugh track. There’s very few exceptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 As for the Kovalchuk issue I wonder who they play in his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: As for the Kovalchuk issue I wonder who they play in his place. DeLuca? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 And the best part with Kovalchuk? They're stuck with his cap hit no matter what... next year too. No one will be taking him off their hands, especially if this is a big issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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