Around the NHL 2019-20

[WildCard]

5 minutes ago, freester said:

Skinner has the worst contract in the league,  Joker has potential, Cozens has proven nothing in NHL could easily be another Mitts or Nylander

That's not even remotely true. He's not even the worst contract on this team

[Eleven]

30 minutes ago, freester said:

Skinner has the worst contract in the league,  Joker has potential, Cozens has proven nothing in NHL could easily be another Mitts or Nylander

Gotta separate the trade from the new contract.  It was a good trade.  Yes, Botterill did have his moments, but overall, he's a C-minus.

[freester]

56 minutes ago, WildCard said:

That's not even remotely true. He's not even the worst contract on this team

Definitely true.  You could more easily trade Okposo than Skinner.

[WildCard]

3 minutes ago, freester said:

Definitely true.  You could more easily trade Okposo than Skinner.

There is no way in hell you can trade Okposo more easily than Skinner lol. Okposo is literal dead weight for 3 more years at $6M per, Skinner has a longer/bigger cap hit sure, but he's still valuable 

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by WildCard

[freester]

1 minute ago, WildCard said:

There is no way in hell you can trade Okposo more easily than Skinner lol. Okposo is literal dead weight for 3 more years at $6M per, Skinner has a longer/bigger cap hit sure, but he's still valuable 

 

Skinner has a NTC and has 7 years at 9 million remaining.  No one is taking that contract in this flat cap era.  Okposo stats could easily be improved playing with Eichel much like Skinner's were and could be moved more easily than James Neal or Milan Lucic.  Skinner currently has huge negative value.

[WildCard]

5 minutes ago, freester said:

Skinner has a NTC and has 7 years at 9 million remaining.  No one is taking that contract in this flat cap era.  Okposo stats could easily be improved playing with Eichel much like Skinner's were and could be moved more easily than James Neal or Milan Lucic.  Skinner currently has huge negative value.

Okposo won't play with Eichel's line because he's insanely slow and has numerous head injuries. A contending team would at least look at Skinner and say we can win in those 3-4 years with him and then worry about it later. Okposo brings absolutely nothing of value to the table. Lucic had 'grit' and Cup experience. Neal was still scoring. Okposo has neither of those things

Edited August 20, 2020 by WildCard

[freester]

5 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Okposo won't play with Eichel's line because he's insanely slow and has numerous head injuries. A contending team would at least look at Skinner and say we can win in those 3-4 years with him and then worry about it later. Okposo brings absolutely nothing of value to the table. Lucic had 'grit' and Cup experience. Neal was still scoring. Okposo has neither of those things

its all about the benjamins.  No one is paying Skinner 63 million

[WildCard]

1 minute ago, freester said:

its all about the benjamins.  No one is paying Skinner 63 million

Rather overpay for something I can use than overpay for something that actively hurts me

[freester]

2 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Rather overpay for something I can use than overpay for something that actively hurts me

Okposo was a very solid but overpaid 4th liner last year.  Skinner was an overpaid and mediocre 2nd liner last year.

[Eleven]

2 minutes ago, freester said:

Okposo was a very solid but overpaid 4th liner last year.  Skinner was an overpaid and mediocre 2nd liner last year.

One was used properly, and the other was not.  Olofsson's training season is over and Skinner should be back on the top line for 5-on-5 play.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Eleven

[WildCard]

4 minutes ago, freester said:

Okposo was a very solid but overpaid 4th liner last year.  Skinner was an overpaid and mediocre 2nd liner last year.

And people want a $6M/year 4th liner who will play 50 games? He wasn't even very solid, he was average at best

[freester]

1 minute ago, Eleven said:

One was used properly, and the other was not.  Olofsson's training season is over and Skinner should be back on the top line for 5-on-5 play.

I expect that to happen and Skinner's production will increase while Olofsson's will fall dramatically.

[shrader]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

Gotta separate the trade from the new contract.  It was a good trade.  Yes, Botterill did have his moments, but overall, he's a C-minus.

They got a 40 goal season in exchange for Pu and a 2nd, 3rd, and 6th.  Anyone who doesn't want to credit them for that trade is way too jaded at this point.

[freester]

15 minutes ago, shrader said:

They got a 40 goal season in exchange for Pu and a 2nd, 3rd, and 6th.  Anyone who doesn't want to credit them for that trade is way too jaded at this point.

The trade was fine, the contract was shear idiocy.

[SwampD]

4 hours ago, WildCard said:

Okposo won't play with Eichel's line because he's insanely slow and has numerous head injuries. A contending team would at least look at Skinner and say we can win in those 3-4 years with him and then worry about it later. Okposo brings absolutely nothing of value to the table. Lucic had 'grit' and Cup experience. Neal was still scoring. Okposo has neither of those things

Not to nitpick, but Okoposo [sic] is not insanely slow.

[sabremike]

5 hours ago, Eleven said:

Gotta separate the trade from the new contract.  It was a good trade.  Yes, Botterill did have his moments, but overall, he's a C-minus.

The only positive thing he did was put together a team so putrid they won Dahlin. He is on the list of all time worst GM's with Ed Johnston (The undisputed worst of all time, only GM in history to literally kill a team through his idiocy), Milbury and Chia. If there was a grade lower than F that is what Botts deserved. Came into a bad situation and managed to somehow make it ten times worse. Put together a team that failed to qualify for a 24 team playoff despite Jack having just about the greatest season in team history. A chimp throwing darts at random names on a dartbord would've produced better drafts. Left us with a shockingly poor prospect pool and a terrible NHL roster that requires a coach who is a magician to get something out of them. Hired a coach who is anything but a magician, an improvement on his previous hire who was among the worst and most inept coaches in league history who was comically out of his depth. After lucking into playoff contention but falling apart at warp speed refused to fire said incompetent coach, let a once promising season go down the toilet and belatedly fired him the day the season ended. And of course the strong contender for worst trade in league history, that too.

[WildCard]

32 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Not to nitpick, but Okoposo [sic] is not insanely slow.

He is extremely slow

[Taro T]

7 hours ago, freester said:

its all about the benjamins.  No one is paying Skinner 63 million

No, but if Skinner were to waive the NTC clause & the Sabres were to retain $2MM, they could get a very useful player in return.  They aren't getting anything but a 4th liner back for Okposo even if they retain $3MM.  And, would rather have the $6MM 4th liner that we know plays that role well in Krueger's system than have the defacto $4MM 4th liner that is a crapshoot to fit in.

[7+6=13]

Skinner is an excellent player.  It's not his fault we have 1 center that every forward has to play with or be left without a chair when the music stops.

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

Skinner is an excellent player.  It's not his fault we have 1 center that every forward has to play with or be left without a chair when the music stops.

I think he's likely to bounce back as his career has shown.

 

[LTS]

17 hours ago, WildCard said:

He is extremely slow

Hmm.  Perhaps in open ice, top line speed...

But he's a damn good forechecker and that's usually on account of the ability to quickly get to a spot and win battles for pucks.  Extremely slow players aren't usually capable of that.

[Randall Flagg]

12 minutes ago, LTS said:

Hmm.  Perhaps in open ice, top line speed...

But he's a damn good forechecker and that's usually on account of the ability to quickly get to a spot and win battles for pucks.  Extremely slow players aren't usually capable of that.

That's the way I see it. Okposo's playing speed on a skill line would hamper the line, which is why everyone hated him in 2017.

His foot speed is just fine for his current role which is why everyone likes him now 

[freester]

20 hours ago, sabremike said:

The only positive thing he did was put together a team so putrid they won Dahlin. He is on the list of all time worst GM's with Ed Johnston (The undisputed worst of all time, only GM in history to literally kill a team through his idiocy), Milbury and Chia. If there was a grade lower than F that is what Botts deserved. Came into a bad situation and managed to somehow make it ten times worse. Put together a team that failed to qualify for a 24 team playoff despite Jack having just about the greatest season in team history. A chimp throwing darts at random names on a dartbord would've produced better drafts. Left us with a shockingly poor prospect pool and a terrible NHL roster that requires a coach who is a magician to get something out of them. Hired a coach who is anything but a magician, an improvement on his previous hire who was among the worst and most inept coaches in league history who was comically out of his depth. After lucking into playoff contention but falling apart at warp speed refused to fire said incompetent coach, let a once promising season go down the toiand let and belatedly fired him the day the season ended. And of course the strong contender for worst trade in league history, that too.

and spent over the cap leaving us with a cap penalty.  Unbelievable.  He should be tar and feathered

[LGR4GM]

14 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

Skinner is an excellent player.  It's not his fault we have 1 center that every forward has to play with or be left without a chair when the music stops.

When Skinner had Kahun or Johansson (when Johansson was doing good), he produced. Skinner needs help and if you are going to play him away from Eichel, it's gotta be Kahun and that Center you bring in. 

[JohnC]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

When Skinner had Kahun or Johansson (when Johansson was doing good), he produced. Skinner needs help and if you are going to play him away from Eichel, it's gotta be Kahun and that Center you bring in. 

You make excellent points. But why not simply play him on the Jack line where you can maximize his shooting talents? Skinner playing on the Jack line becomes a 30 plus goal scorer. If you are going to pay Skinner premium dollars then it makes more sense to get the best return that you can from him. 

My impression is that Skinner is not a player that Krueger is fond of. The only time I can recall when Krueger responded sharply with irritation in an interview was when he was asked on WGR why Skinner wasn't on the Jack line. That bothers me.