Your Top 10 NHLers

[Thorner]

@Randall FlaggWhat's the fascination with Mark Scheifele? I've seen him on the top 10 Cs list a fair bit. I don't think he's as good as Jack Eichel, for one (being 4 years older not even factoring in, as I know you live in the "right now" when dealing with these types of lists.)

Jack had a higher PPG last season on a vastly inferior team, and Scheifele is not anything to write home about defensively. As for line mates, Ehlers/Reinhart was a pretty similar trade-off, and Wheeler produced about 50% more points than Skinner did.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Thorny

[pi2000]

1. CAR Brett Pesce             28.31
2. OTT Mark Stone              26.81
3. CAR Teuvo Teravainen        23.43
4. PIT Brian Dumoulin          22.88
5. DAL Alexander Radulov       21.16
6. CBJ Josh Anderson           19.61
7. CGY Mikael Backlund         19.43
8. CGY Mark Giordano           19.02
9. DET Tyler Bertuzzi          18.60
10. VGK Nate Schmidt            18.19

[Sabres Fan in NS]

1 minute ago, pi2000 said:

1. CAR Brett Pesce             28.31
2. OTT Mark Stone              26.81
3. CAR Teuvo Teravainen        23.43
4. PIT Brian Dumoulin          22.88
5. DAL Alexander Radulov       21.16
6. CBJ Josh Anderson           19.61
7. CGY Mikael Backlund         19.43
8. CGY Mark Giordano           19.02
9. DET Tyler Bertuzzi          18.60
10. VGK Nate Schmidt            18.19

Let me guess ... the top 10 by TR+-(TM) 

 

[pi2000]

16 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

Let me guess ... the top 10 by TR+-(TM) 

 

Correct.

However, TRpm needs to be considered within the context of the team.... eg, a TRpm of 0 on a top team is much better than a TRpm of 0 on a bottom team.     I still haven't figured out how to normalize TRpm based on team performance.

Anyway, here's the bottom 10...

1. PIT Evgeni Malkin          -31.50
2. WPG Patrik Laine           -28.02
3. PIT Phil Kessel            -26.49
4. BUF Rasmus Ristolainen     -23.04
5. VAN Erik Gudbranson        -22.21
6. CAR Warren Foegele         -21.30
7. SJS Justin Braun           -20.11
8. LAK Drew Doughty           -19.81
9. CBJ Zach Werenski          -19.25
10. LAK Ilya Kovalchuk         -19.24

Edited August 6, 2019 by pi2000

[Ducky]

P Kane, Stamkos and Ovechkin should be on the list.

[Ducky]

On 8/5/2019 at 9:09 PM, Randall Flagg said:

Breaking down by position...





 

Right Wingers
1.) Mark Stone
2.) Nikita Kucherov
3.) Patrick Kane
4.) Mitch Marner
5.) Claude Giroux
6.) David Pastrnak
7.) Vladimir Tarasenko
8.) Brendan Gallagher
9.) Mikko Rantanen
10.) Timo Meier

 

How do you not have Wheeler in your top 10???

[Sabres Fan in NS]

On 8/5/2019 at 7:18 PM, Thorny said:

Sidney Crosby

...everyone else. 

Correct.

The kid from Cole Harbour, NS is still at the top of any list, IMO.  And then a random 9 to fill in the blanks ... many to choose from, but no dastardly Bruins, or equally dastardly Flyers.

[GASabresIUFAN]

58 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

Correct.

The kid from Cole Harbour, NS is still at the top of any list, IMO.  And then a random 9 to fill in the blanks ... many to choose from, but no dastardly Bruins, or equally dastardly Flyers.

McJesus, Sid the Kid, Kucherov and everyone else

[French Collection]

Tough decisions.

I’m going for a few D-men because I like watching how they can control both ends and log nearly half a game.

Connor McDavid

Sidney Crosby

Nathan MacKinnon

Nikita Kucherov

Patrice Bergeron

Seth Jones

Victor Hedman

Roman Josi

Alex Ovechkin

Erik Karlsson

[Weave]

3 years ago who expected that Jack Eichel wouldn’t be on most of these lists?

[Doohicksie]

14 hours ago, pi2000 said:

DAL Alexander Radulov       21.16

I'm too lazy to come up with a top ten list, but I'll tell you what- every time I watch a Stars game I'm impressed by Radulov.  Good scoring approaching a point a game, a huge physical presence and tough to play against.

3 hours ago, Weave said:

3 years ago who expected that Jack Eichel wouldn’t be on most of these lists?

Eh.  Go to another team's forum and I bet he makes his fair share of them.  Until the Sabres win he will be undervalued, especially by his own team's fans.

[stinky finger]

On 8/5/2019 at 3:25 PM, North Buffalo said:

and He's a Bruin, did you mention that???

Worse yet - they're from Bahstan

 

Edited August 11, 2019 by Leaf Blower
double click

[TrueBlueGED]

On 8/7/2019 at 5:34 AM, Weave said:

3 years ago who expected that Jack Eichel wouldn’t be on most of these lists?

Even if he was one of the 10 best players in the league (he's not), he'd be left off most lists as long as the team is bad. Players like McDavid who are so unquestionably amazing that they get included on these lists irrespective of team success are the exception. 

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, TrueBlueGED said:

Even if he was one of the 10 best players in the league (he's not), he'd be left off most lists as long as the team is bad. Players like McDavid who are so unquestionably amazing that they get included on these lists irrespective of team success are the exception. 

Agree with this.

Also think that in the first half of the season Jack was making a case for being among the league’s elite.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Ovechkin

Aho

[Randall Flagg]

On 8/6/2019 at 6:02 PM, Thorny said:

@Randall FlaggWhat's the fascination with Mark Scheifele? I've seen him on the top 10 Cs list a fair bit. I don't think he's as good as Jack Eichel, for one (being 4 years older not even factoring in, as I know you live in the "right now" when dealing with these types of lists.)

Jack had a higher PPG last season on a vastly inferior team, and Scheifele is not anything to write home about defensively. As for line mates, Ehlers/Reinhart was a pretty similar trade-off, and Wheeler produced about 50% more points than Skinner did.

Just saw this. I don't think Blake Wheeler had a great year, counting stats be damned, and I think Scheifele is really a top tier guy. This is also a prediction for next season more than a description of the last one. He just plays the kind of hockey I love out of my centers. I'd kill for Jack to have his off-puck instincts in the offensive zone.

Couple a Crosby-like dedication to the game, and I'm sold.

Edited August 12, 2019 by Randall Flagg

[French Collection]

13 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Just saw this. I don't think Blake Wheeler had a great year, counting stats be damned, and I think Scheifele is really a top tier guy. This is also a prediction for next season more than a description of the last one. He just plays the kind of hockey I love out of my centers. I'd kill for Jack to have his off-puck instincts in the offensive zone.

Couple a Crosby-like dedication to the game, and I'm sold.

Yeah, I like him too, I took too many D-men to make room for him.

A lot of stuff I have read about him makes him out to be a hockey geek.