Brawndo Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) Edited August 3, 2019 by Brawndo Quote
Tondas Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 Meet in the middle at $3 mil? Seems right. Quote
Curt Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 Dang! I thought he would get about $2M. This looks like it’s going to be about $3M though! Quote
Brawndo Posted August 2, 2019 Author Report Posted August 2, 2019 That’s a really high ask by McCabe though. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 Fare thee well, Jake. May you bring us a quality forward in return. 3 Quote
darksabre Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, Brawndo said: That’s a really high ask by McCabe though. Seems to be the trend. I'd put him at 2.8 x 2. 1 Quote
woods-racer Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 If they go through the arbitration process and the panel see's fit to give McCabe around 3 million for 2 years will the Sabres accept it and sign him? If you believe the Sabres do sign him, is McCabe trade-able with that price and term? Quote
Tondas Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, woods-racer said: If they go through the arbitration process and the panel see's fit to give McCabe around 3 million for 2 years will the Sabres accept it and sign him? If you believe the Sabres do sign him, is McCabe trade-able with that price and term? I think they do. JBOT always says you develop and re-sign your own. $3 mil is fair IMO. 1 Quote
... Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Fare thee well, Jake. May you bring us a quality forward in return. OMG, totally. That's a way high ask for Jake and I don't mind him on the team. So, that leaves us with Jake and Risto potentially on the trade market. I think a clever GM could turn just those two guys into a solid 2C. 2 Quote
woods-racer Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tondas said: I think they do. JBOT always says you develop and re-sign your own. $3 mil is fair IMO. But is he trade-able then? I ask this because my believe is a fair value contract is a trade-able one. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, ... said: OMG, totally. That's a way high ask for Jake and I don't mind him on the team. So, that leaves us with Jake and Risto potentially on the trade market. I think a clever GM could turn just those two guys into a solid 2C. I think it's likely the arbitrator is closer to the team number, but if it turns out to be close to $3M, then I'm looking to move on. 3 Quote
Tondas Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, woods-racer said: But is he trade-able then? I ask this because my believe is a fair value contract is a trade-able one. I think so. If Risto is a second pair D-man at $5.4 mill, a solid 3rd pair guy with experience and leadership (College team captain and I believe with Housley in the U20 tournament), and can move up to second pair for a brief stint is worth $ 3 mil in today's NHL. Zadorov is at $ 3.2. Edited August 2, 2019 by Tondas 1 Quote
Weave Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: I think it's likely the arbitrator is closer to the team number, but if it turns out to be close to $3M, then I'm looking to move on. I’m not sure he fits in with the direction the team is headed and was a likely move anyway. He was my candidate for most likely to be traded. Quote
... Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, TrueBlueGED said: I think it's likely the arbitrator is closer to the team number, but if it turns out to be close to $3M, then I'm looking to move on. Maybe. I haven't kept track of the decisions throughout the league to see if they're reasonable or not on average. Regardless, that's a very high ask by McCabe even in lieu of arbitration. If he doesn't get near what he thinks he's worth, will that be yet another "locker room issue"? Ridiculous in one sense, yet raises red flags in some way. In THIS case, his value as a trade piece is far greater than his value on the D corps if he's going to be miserable and injured 25% of the time. 1 Quote
Zamboni Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 I could see him getting awarded 2.5 - 2.8. Quote
dudacek Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 That sounds like the Ullmark/Hutton thing. Sorry Jake, just because you were better than Scandella doesn’t mean you should be overpaid too. I agree with those saying that if he gets anything near his ask, he will be traded. I have no sense of whether he wants to be in Buffalo long-term, or what Botterill thinks about him. Personally, I’d like him for three years as a bridge to Samuelsson and Johnson, but not for more than $3 million per. 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 36 minutes ago, ... said: Maybe. I haven't kept track of the decisions throughout the league to see if they're reasonable or not on average. Regardless, that's a very high ask by McCabe even in lieu of arbitration. If he doesn't get near what he thinks he's worth, will that be yet another "locker room issue"? Ridiculous in one sense, yet raises red flags in some way. In THIS case, his value as a trade piece is far greater than his value on the D corps if he's going to be miserable and injured 25% of the time. I know it's august, but this is quite a stretch Quote
dudacek Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 Also, I am also really liking the fact that Jason is consistently playing hardball with lower-roster guys on a bottom-feeding team. Start winning and you’ll get paid. 2 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Also, I am also really liking the fact that Jason is consistently playing hardball with lower-roster guys on a bottom-feeding team. Start winning and you’ll get paid. This seems like projection more than what's actually happening. Offering McCabe 1.95 in an arbitration case seems completely normal and par for the course, and so has every other number I've seen this summer. I think Jason is being a fairly normal GM doing a fairly normal thing with the players you'd expect him to as far as this stuff goes 2 Quote
... Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I know it's august, but this is quite a stretch 1 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 What's everybody's red line here? Mine is probably $2.5M. I'm simply not paying a 3rd pairing Dman who doesn't bring much of anything offensively more than that. Quote
WildCard Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 More proof that arbitration is broken, these player asks are absurdly high in hope of getting the arbitrator to give a higher payout; they usually go about in the middle of the two asks Quote
Doohicksie Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Tondas said: Meet in the middle at $3 mil? Seems right. $3.3M is my guess. Quote
Tondas Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: What's everybody's red line here? Mine is probably $2.5M. I'm simply not paying a 3rd pairing Dman who doesn't bring much of anything offensively more than that. I'm at $3 mil. Again, Zadorov is getting $3.2 and played 11 more games than McCabe and had the same amount of points. It's the going rate. Quote
... Posted August 2, 2019 Report Posted August 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: What's everybody's red line here? Mine is probably $2.5M. I'm simply not paying a 3rd pairing Dman who doesn't bring much of anything offensively more than that. No more than $2.65M for me. He can swing from 5 to 4, so that adds a little value. Quote
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