PalmTreeMafia Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 Long-term, this team desperately needs a top right winger more than a #2 center. We have Mittelstadt, Cozens, and Asplund at center but only Reinhart and Thompson at RW. So any RW who would be a good fit with Eichel and Skinner should be considered in a Risto trade. 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 2:32 AM, Marchand'sNose said: Long-term, this team desperately needs a top right winger more than a #2 center. We have Mittelstadt, Cozens, and Asplund at center but only Reinhart and Thompson at RW. So any RW who would be a good fit with Eichel and Skinner should be considered in a Risto trade. Expand We had Girgensons, Grigorenko, Hodgson at one point too. Hindsight can cloud just as much as it can reveal - 2C is not solved until it's SOLVED, ya know? Quote
Thorner Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) On 7/9/2019 at 10:55 PM, LGR4GM said: Winnipeg. They desperately need a Risto and have some parts to help us. 1 of their current nhl wingers and a center prospect Expand I think Winnipeg, too. Tyler Myers 2.0. They'll proclaim they received the second coming of Zdeno Chara in the trade, only to be disappointed in due time. Whereas Murray ended up breaking even (or, really, probably winning) that trade, Botterill will win his handily. Due to the bolded: they don't desperately need Risto, they desperately need Risto to become what they need, and he won't (PP production, not 5v5 ability). They don't have any good center prospects, btw. Jets are prime example of building from the wing, in. Edited July 10, 2019 by Thorny Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 What is Winnipeg's situation on D? I can name three NHLers off the top of my head - Big Buff, Morrissey, and Kulikov.. Quote
Thorner Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 5:01 AM, Randall Flagg said: What is Winnipeg's situation on D? I can name three NHLers off the top of my head - Big Buff, Morrissey, and Kulikov.. Expand D for dire. Poised to be taken in by a Big Bluff. 1 Quote
dudacek Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) The lost Trouba, Myers and Chariot. Added Pionk.Still have Niku and our old friend Beaulieu. They should have huge interest in Risto, but they’d probably rather sign Gardiner for free. Thing is, I don’t want the likes of Little or Perreault in a Risto deal. They aren’t a good solution to our trade woes. Edited July 10, 2019 by dudacek Quote
Thorner Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 5:05 AM, dudacek said: The lost Trouba, Myers and Chariot. Added Pionk.Still have Nike and our old friend Beaulieu. They should have huge interest in Risto, but they’d probably rather sign Gardiner for free. Expand Talk around Winnipeg circles is optimism he'll provide value in a top-4 role. Quote
dudacek Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 Laine, Ehlers and Connor are of huge interest, but I really want a centre. 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 I think I meant to say Beaulieu when I said Kulikov, not sure if Kuli is still there. Makes sense that they might want Risto. How much would we have to add to Risto to get Copp and Ehlers? Quote
dudacek Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 5:09 AM, Randall Flagg said: I think I meant to say Beaulieu when I said Kulikov, not sure if Kuli is still there. Makes sense that they might want Risto. How much would we have to add to Risto to get Copp and Ehlers? Expand Kulikov is still there. If I’m Botts, I hold firm that Risto is worth Ehlers, so it’s down to how much you value Copp. I’d say a 2nd or equivalent player might close the deal. I like Copp. Quote
Thorner Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 5:09 AM, Randall Flagg said: I think I meant to say Beaulieu when I said Kulikov, not sure if Kuli is still there. Makes sense that they might want Risto. How much would we have to add to Risto to get Copp and Ehlers? Expand A lot of the fanbase envisions Copp as their 2C next season. Not sure management thinks along the same lines, but if they do, I'd imagine a lot. They don't have depth at C (thus trading a 1st at the deadline for a 2C the last 2 deadlines), so that would probably make them quite hesitant to trade Copp. On 7/10/2019 at 5:16 AM, dudacek said: Kulikov is still there. If I’m Botts, I hold firm that Risto is worth Ehlers, so it’s down to how much you value Copp. I’d say a 2nd or equivalent player might close the deal. I like Copp. Expand Not enough I'd wager. Quote
PerreaultForever Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 Well we need a RW or C so for Winnipeg it'd likely be Ehlers (doubt they ditch Laine) could be Roslevic. Likely a few parts/prospects/picks mixed into this one way or the other. For Tampa I'd obviously like it to be Point but I think a deal with Cirelli + might be very interesting. Really liked him at the worlds. Quote
GoPuckYourself Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 I went with the Edmonton Oilers as they need a RHD yet have a strong group up the middle in McDavid, Draisatle and RNH so I'd say there is probably mutual interest there, maybe we give a 2nd round pick along with Risto. Risto is signed for 3 seasons at 5.4M AAV while RNH is 6M AAV for 2 seasons. This would be a trade I'd be down with but i wouldn't tade Rosi for just any 2nd line C as i still think he has lots of value with us. Quote
Tondas Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 5:16 AM, dudacek said: Kulikov is still there. Expand I can't believe he's still in the league. He and Andre Benoit [Balls] were synonymous with the Tank and made turnstiles and traffic cones look good, respectively. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 I currently view the right side of the defense as: Montour, Miller, Jokiharju, Risto, Nelson, Bogo. I no longer see a scenario where we don't trade Ristolainen. Quote
triumph_communes Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 Risto+McCabe+Smith or Rodrigues+pick (~7.5AAV) for Ehlers+Lowry (8.9AAV) Jets need to shed some cap, especially long-term, which is why Ehlers goes cheap. I believe the Jets want to dump Kulikov, but I bet we are on his 6-team no trade list after the whole door incident. They would prefer to keep their youth over their guys under contract (Ehlers & Lowry). They also value McCabe highly because he is still RFA, and they have very few defenders currently under long-term control. I think they'd demand a cheap forward back if trading two forwards out. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) On 7/10/2019 at 12:22 PM, LGR4GM said: I currently view the right side of the defense as: Montour, Miller, Jokiharju, Risto, Nelson, Bogo. I no longer see a scenario where we don't trade Ristolainen. Expand The Jokijarju trades makes the RHD very interesting. I think it hints at 4 things. 1) Jbot remains unhappy with the D from last year and despite the additions of Montour and Miller more change is coming despite everyone from last year except Baloo still here. 2) Borgen isn’t NHL ready yet and Jbot wants him in the AHL next year. 3) Bogo May be done as a Sabre. 2 hip surgeries in the last few years leads me to believe he is out for this season and that is a significant reason why Jbot acquired 2 NHL RHD this off-season. 4) With Bogo out and 2 NHL RHD acquired, I’m coming around to the idea that Risto is gone. The question is when. It still could be the trade deadline. My biggest problems are that the most likely trade targets all have issues like not being a center or having a NTC and making the cap $ work. Edited July 10, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote
WildCard Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:33 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: 2) Borgen isn’t NHL ready yet and Jbot wants him in the AHL next year. Expand Brendan Guhle: The Next Mark Pysyk Borgen: The Next Brendan Guhle Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:38 PM, WildCard said: Brendan Guhle: The Next Mark Pysyk Borgen: The Next Brendan Guhle Expand Psh Borgen is Dahlin's long-term partner put it in tha bank Quote
WildCard Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:39 PM, Randall Flagg said: Psh Borgen is Dahlin's long-term partner put it in tha bank Expand Psh we just got Dahlin's long-term partner Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 Kaiju for Dahlin would be very interesting... Quote
WildCard Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:44 PM, LGR4GM said: Kaiju for Dahlin would be very interesting... Expand What? Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:45 PM, WildCard said: What? Expand Kaiju being brought in to pair with Dahlin. That would be interesting. Dahlin is flashier but Kaiju is very very smart and skates exceedingly well. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 I have a conceptual question which I'm not even sure how I feel about. If you can get a legit top-6 winger for Risto, but only a middle-6 center, which trade do you make? Just to put names to the question, I think I'd rather trade Risto for Ehlers than for Tyler Johnson, even though Johnson clearly fills the bigger hole in the lineup. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2019 Report Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:47 PM, TrueBlueGED said: I have a conceptual question which I'm not even sure how I feel about. If you can get a legit top-6 winger for Risto, but only a middle-6 center, which trade do you make? Just to put names to the question, I think I'd rather trade Risto for Ehlers than for Tyler Johnson, even though Johnson clearly fills the bigger hole in the lineup. Expand I'd trade for the winger as long as they were a RW. 1 Quote
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