Thorner Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Randall Flagg said: This is foolish to glean from watching 20 clips from just two games...but IMO Jokiharju's ceiling is sky high. I was impressed as hell by what I saw, against the future stanley cup champions, from a 19 year old. It's summer so we're allowed to be hopeful. I've been ready to go out on a limb and predict that this will be viewed as Botterill's best trade in due time. I could be way wrong but I'm really high on Joki and I'd like to put it out there now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 Word out of Chicago is that this has been in discussion for a while 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, TrueBlueGED said: It's not a narrative that Casey was bad this reason. It's just the harsh reality. As to the charts...a regression with a sample of 68 minutes, such as the one you just posted, is almost certainly useless. I can't be 100% sure without seeing the full model, but I'd bet my life savings that such a model has a p-value around 3 million and a confidence interval that includes the entire range of outcomes. Is there some relativity wiggle-room built in to "bad", here, at all? Bad relative to the role being asked of him maybe? Or just flat out bad? Isn't it @LGR4GM who said Casey's season was about what he would have expected? Edited July 10, 2019 by Thorny Saw LGR's new post about Mittelstadt and his underlying numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Word out of Chicago is that this has been in discussion for a while Ever since Coach Q left and he got demoted I would guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Thorny said: Is there some relativity wiggle-room built in to "bad", here, at all? Bad relative to the role being asked of him maybe? Or just flat out bad? Isn't it @LGR4GM who said Casey's season was about what he would have expected? He was among the worst players on the team at ES. I think only Thompson and Sobotka were worse. Okposo, Girgensons, Larsson Sheary, and ERod were all better. He performed like a 4th liner at best. That’s basically where he was at last season. If you want to take a more developmental view, he showed a lot of good puck skills and, in general, I liked the way that he played the game. I personally feel like he was a bit overwhelmed physically by the speed of the NHL. I think he will need to get stronger and faster. Good news is that’s one of the easier things to improve. Have to keep in mind that this guy was playing against high school kids 2yrs ago. He could not do a pull up 2yrs ago. I know, I know, pull ups have nothing to do with hockey, but I feel that I does say something about his overall physical development at that time. He then followed that up with a good, but not great season in NCAA. Then he jumped to the NHL. I just don’t think he was ready. Edited July 10, 2019 by Curt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 hours ago, PASabreFan said: @New Scotland (NS) are you thinking what I'm thinking? (If so, I will be freaked out.) Maybe? Are you thinking that I have no clue what anyone is talking about in this thread? Then yes. Yes, I am. I also noticed a mention of Hot Lips on here somewhere. Is that it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 21 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said: The guys name is Henri? There has never been any players named Henri in hockey history that have been any good. BUST!!! Kids... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Word out of Chicago is that this has been in discussion for a while Super weird that a GM would basically take orders from his coach but you do you Chicago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Leaf Blower said: Kids... Rhymes with Rocket... oh whatever, you had it right kids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, darksabre said: Super weird that a GM would basically take orders from his coach but you do you Chicago As long as it doesn't benefit Toronto ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Kruppstahl said: I don't know. It's like Botterill is stockpiling right shooting D-men as they can be a trade commodity in the league. I don't know if he is acquiring these guys as currency in future deals or if he actually wants to keep Jokiharju. I think Botts is looking at long term aka the Seattle expansion draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, New Scotland (NS) said: Maybe? Are you thinking that I have no clue what anyone is talking about in this thread? Then yes. Yes, I am. I also noticed a mention of Hot Lips on here somewhere. Is that it? Close. The word "collinearity" came up, and it immediately took me to Father Mulcahy exclaiming, "Jocularity! Jocularity!" I don't hate you for not sharing my misfiring synapses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDFan Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Thorny said: This narrative is being pushed here a bunch but it's not a wide-spread belief out in the hockey universe at large as far as I can tell. Nylander's talent is immaterial at this point. There is little question that this is a guy who routinely failed to apply himself and, on his way out, chose to blame his issues on the team rather than his own immaturity and arrogance. Good riddance. He will never amount to anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, MDFan said: Nylander's talent is immaterial at this point. There is little question that this is a guy who routinely failed to apply himself and, on his way out, chose to blame his issues on the team rather than his own immaturity and arrogance. Good riddance. He will never amount to anything. Likely correct. But, if he is going to get it, Chicago probably gives him the best opportunity to do so among the 31 teams. Should he fail, it's no longer (if it ever was) on this organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Thorny said: ??? ? I knew him not showing up at camp this season meant something. He's a turd. He probably sat out because of the trade but he's a turd. 2 hours ago, Thorny said: Is there some relativity wiggle-room built in to "bad", here, at all? Bad relative to the role being asked of him maybe? Or just flat out bad? Isn't it @LGR4GM who said Casey's season was about what he would have expected? Casey projected to 34 points in his rookie season in 83 games I think he has 31 so that's what didn't surprise me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Thorny said: I've been ready to go out on a limb and predict that this will be viewed as Botterill's best trade in due time. I could be way wrong but I'm really high on Joki and I'd like to put it out there now. I honestly don't know how good Nylander is but Joki will be a 2nd pairing D man at the least and who cares if Nylander lights it up or not? He's a Hawk... The Sabres D just got better with a cost controlled asset for the next 6 years for a player that didn't pan out for the them. Very solid move and I am envious. I'd love to see him in a Jets' uni. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) On 7/9/2019 at 8:14 PM, Andrew Amerk said: The guys name is Henri? There has never been any players named Henri in hockey history that have been any good. BUST!!! Played 20 seasons in the NHL Hall of Fame 11 Stanley Cups (most ever) Still alive today at 84 and could possibly play 2C on the Sabres. Edited July 11, 2019 by Pimlach 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, MDFan said: Nylander's talent is immaterial at this point. There is little question that this is a guy who routinely failed to apply himself and, on his way out, chose to blame his issues on the team rather than his own immaturity and arrogance. Good riddance. He will never amount to anything. This is kinda harsh. He’s 21 years old FFS! I’m fine with JB concluding that Nylander is unlikely to reach his potential, but the human thing to do here is to wish him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Played 20 seasons in the NHL Hall of Fame 11 Stanley Cups (most ever) Still alive today at 84 and could possibly play 2C on the Sabres. At his age, we'd probably be better off bringing back Hodgson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagBoy Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Played 20 seasons in the NHL Hall of Fame 11 Stanley Cups (most ever) Still alive today at 84 and could possibly play 2C on the Sabres. Thanks Punch for bringing back this memory. Henri Richard was arguably best remembered as Maurice Richard's little brother. For the younger posters out there, Maurice Richard was truly the Gretzky of his era - no exaggeration, and was nicknamed Rocket Richard. His brother, Henri (5' 7"), was nicknamed the Pocket Rocket, and while nowhere near as flashy as his brother, was a truly great player for a long time on a great team. I was fortunate enough to see him play at the Aud late in his career. Henri (born in 1936) celebrated his 20th birthday back in 2016. He is one of those rare people to be born on February 29, Leap Year Day. Unfortunately I have read that he is suffering from Alzheimer's which is a horrible ***** disease. Bringing it back around to our new Henri, I don't care if Alex Nylander ends up on a line with Patrick Kane and registers 80 points next year, or any year (which I seriously doubt). As stated by many smarter people than me, he was never going to do ***** in the Sabres organization and we got a very nice prospect for him. Way to go JBot! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Pimlach said: Played 20 seasons in the NHL Hall of Fame 11 Stanley Cups (most ever) Still alive today at 84 and could possibly play 2C on the Sabres. I’m aware. It was an attempt at sarcasm. ?♂️ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 7/9/2019 at 9:52 PM, Skibum said: This trade reminds me of Zack Kassian for Cody Hodgson. I get it .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, BagBoy said: Thanks Punch for bringing back this memory. Henri Richard was arguably best remembered as Maurice Richard's little brother. For the younger posters out there, Maurice Richard was truly the Gretzky of his era - no exaggeration, and was nicknamed Rocket Richard. His brother, Henri (5' 7"), was nicknamed the Pocket Rocket, and while nowhere near as flashy as his brother, was a truly great player for a long time on a great team. I was fortunate enough to see him play at the Aud late in his career. Henri (born in 1936) celebrated his 20th birthday back in 2016. He is one of those rare people to be born on February 29, Leap Year Day. Unfortunately I have read that he is suffering from Alzheimer's which is a horrible ***** disease. Bringing it back around to our new Henri, I don't care if Alex Nylander ends up on a line with Patrick Kane and registers 80 points next year, or any year (which I seriously doubt). As stated by many smarter people than me, he was never going to do ***** in the Sabres organization and we got a very nice prospect for him. Way to go JBot! Nasty little bugger, too ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Pimlach said: Played 20 seasons in the NHL Hall of Fame 11 Stanley Cups (most ever) Still alive today at 84 and could possibly play 2C on the Sabres. Those numbers have bust written all over them...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said: I’m aware. It was an attempt at sarcasm. ?♂️ I saw where you were going. But then again, I have two different t-shirts about sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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