John Scott Jokingly Choked Out Rookie Risto

[woods-racer]

19 hours ago, Weave said:

It struck me as an admission on his part that he was being overused to the detriment of the team.

 

Ryan Miller anyone?

I didn't get that at all.

The back and forth with John was about him logging a lot of ice time.

The way I took Risto's comment was...

I just want to win even if it means I play less, I'm a team guy first.  A *do what ever it takes to win* statement. I'm coachable.

[inkman]

42 minutes ago, woods-racer said:

I didn't get that at all.

The back and forth with John was about him logging a lot of ice time.

The way I took Risto's comment was...

I just want to win even if it means I play less, I'm a team guy first.  A *do what ever it takes to win* statement. I'm coachable.

Which contradicts what many benind the scenes folks have been touting. 

 

[triumph_communes]

Risto has openly complained about being stuck with partners like Scandella who he can't trust to pass the puck to.  A lot of his problems really appear to stem from bad habits that were born out of him being extra-tired all the time.

 

Now the team has a plethora of guys who Risto can 1) trust he can pass to and 2) likely have a better first-pass out of the zone than he does.  I think the 'uncoachable' comments stem simply from him not listening to a coach because despite all these coaches, he's yet to have a D partner he can trust.  He's been stuck with Scandella, McCabe, etc.  Risto will be fine if he stays.    His comments make it seem like he recognizes that Dahlin-Montour pairing is going to come steal many of his minutes, and he's saying he doesn't mind that.

[inkman]

1 hour ago, triumph_communes said:

Risto has openly complained about being stuck with partners like Scandella who he can't trust to pass the puck to.  A lot of his problems really appear to stem from bad habits that were born out of him being extra-tired all the time.

 

Now the team has a plethora of guys who Risto can 1) trust he can pass to and 2) likely have a better first-pass out of the zone than he does.  I think the 'uncoachable' comments stem simply from him not listening to a coach because despite all these coaches, he's yet to have a D partner he can trust.  He's been stuck with Scandella, McCabe, etc.  Risto will be fine if he stays.    His comments make it seem like he recognizes that Dahlin-Montour pairing is going to come steal many of his minutes, and he's saying he doesn't mind that.

I guess I'll believe it when I see it. Maybe his play has been born from not trusting teammates or being gassed. What I've seen tells me otherwise but I'm willing to give it half a season. If he continues to be near the bottom of the league in every metric outside of scoring, I think we'll have our answer. 

[Huckleberry]

5 minutes ago, inkman said:

I guess I'll believe it when I see it. Maybe his play has been born from not trusting teammates or being gassed. What I've seen tells me otherwise but I'm willing to give it half a season. If he continues to be near the bottom of the league in every metric outside of scoring, I think we'll have our answer. 

Pilut - Ristolainen was a good pairing last year.

[woods-racer]

4 hours ago, inkman said:

Which contradicts what many benind the scenes folks have been touting. 

 

He might not have been coachable.

A mix of stubbornness with 4 different coaches over 5 years all telling him something different.

A mix of young and stupid, which is very closely related to egotistical.

Then mix in the end of last season where he *just gave up* and was tired of losing.

I can easily see where many will say he is un-coachable with these traits. Maybe he is. Or, maybe he's turned a corner and just wants to win and will listen now. Kids are like that. I know I sure was.

[Weave]

7 hours ago, triumph_communes said:

Risto has openly complained about being stuck with partners like Scandella who he can't trust to pass the puck to.  A lot of his problems really appear to stem from bad habits that were born out of him being extra-tired all the time.

 

Now the team has a plethora of guys who Risto can 1) trust he can pass to and 2) likely have a better first-pass out of the zone than he does.  I think the 'uncoachable' comments stem simply from him not listening to a coach because despite all these coaches, he's yet to have a D partner he can trust.  He's been stuck with Scandella, McCabe, etc.  Risto will be fine if he stays.    His comments make it seem like he recognizes that Dahlin-Montour pairing is going to come steal many of his minutes, and he's saying he doesn't mind that.

This is essentially what my thoughts were regarding why Evander Kane had a rep for not using teammates.  It took a good 10 games with Eichel before he started playing like he had a teammate on the ice. 

I could buy this argument regarding Ristos play.  Inferior linemates results in a feeling that he had to do it himself, and alot of bad habits crystalized as a result.