Sabres Signing Marcus Johansson 2 years 4.5 Million AAV

[PerreaultForever]

9 hours ago, WildCard said:

I hope he can at least play RW. Does anyone know his style of play at all?

Really good passer and playmaker from what I saw in the playoffs. Took a good shot to the head from St. Louis and it didn't seem to do anything big so maybe the concussion thing is over blown? Hopefully. Bruins tried him with Krecji but he played best on the wing with Coyle. Its a much needed addition for us. I see him as a solid playmaker average 2nd line player really good 3rd line player  so he can allow Mitts to step back a little and develop and they can eventually switch places depending on the speed of development. 

Now if only we could add some muscle we'd be all set.

[Doohicksie]

1 hour ago, E4 ... Ke2 said:

Should we create a fancy stats reference thread?

I don't think that would solve my complaint upthread. My issue is that posting *any* third party content without doing some level of dicussion about it- what your opinion of it is, what point you're trying to make, is just poor communication. 

Let it support your point, but don't try to make content from another site *be* your point.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Doohickie

[Formerly Allan in MD]

The guy's played on winning NHL teams.  That in itself is a plus.

[WildCard]

36 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

The guy's played on winning NHL teams.  That in itself is a plus.

So has Sobotka 

[Curt]

3 minutes ago, WildCard said:

So has Sobotka 

He hasn’t been to the second round of the playoffs in 8 years.  Not that it matters.

[grinreaper]

3 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

At first I thought you might be a little sarcastic with the post... but the more I think that if you are serious, it could help some of us lay people.  Most of Flagg's stat stuff I understand and to an extent Pi's, just dont know how Pi gets to where he does and what regression curves he is using... and mind you I am way out of practice with stuff too.

What do you think this is here, Tinder?

[SABRES 0311]

Good signing. Two year deal gives some wiggle room in the development department for the younger guys. His experience on winning teams (already mentioned) should provide a steady hand during those friction points during the season.

[Pimlach]

The depth is getting better with Vesey/Johansson/Routsalainen added and Olofsson/Nylander/Tage fighting for spots.  

 

Last year we had a first line and 3 fourth lines.   Looks like we now have a first, 2 thirds, and a fourth line.  Still looking for more in the top 6.  

Edited July 7, 2019 by Pimlach

[Huckleberry]

I think we will have a great first half of the season again ?

[Andrew Amerk]

14 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I think we will have a great first half of the season again ?

What about the second half though?

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3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Really good passer and playmaker from what I saw in the playoffs. Took a good shot to the head from St. Louis and it didn't seem to do anything big so maybe the concussion thing is over blown?

Well, it's either overblown or the only legit excuse for his play during the last two regular seasons.  Can't have it both ways.

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4 hours ago, Doohickie said:

I don't think that would solve my complaint upthread. My issue is that posting *any* third party content without doing some level of dicussion about it- what your opinion of it is, what point you're trying to make, is just poor communication. 

Let it support your point, but don't try to make content from another site *be* your point.

So, I'm going to edit this down, even though it's been quoted already.  I don't really intend to come off as hostile on this matter, it does, though seem ridiculous it's "a thing". Those charts, in the order I posted them (chronologically) say all that needs to be said.

Edited July 7, 2019 by ...

[Marvin]

27 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The depth is getting better with Johansson/Routsalainen added and Olofsson/Nylander/Tage fighting for spots.  

 

Last year we had a first line and 3 fourth lines.   Looks like we now have a first, 2 thirds, and a fourth line.  Still looking for more in the top 6.  

One first line, two fourth lines, and a sixth. 

<sarcasm>See, we we had 4 top-6 lines.</sarcasm>

[Curt]

6 minutes ago, ... said:

Well, it's either overblown or the only legit excuse for his play during the last two regular seasons.  Can't have it both ways.

I think it’s kind of clear that by “overblown”, he sort meant “no longer a serious, current issue” since he was discussing a hit that happened in the playoffs and the lack of ill effects from it.  I don’t think he meant that it’s effects over the last 2 years as a whole are overblown.

[Gatorman0519]

He’s a real NHL player... we haven’t had those in abundance in a decade.... I’ll take it 

[Marvin]

4 minutes ago, ... said:

Are we still on this? JFC. Is it my fault you have no idea what it is you're looking at with those charts?  Those charts, in the order I posted them (chronologically) say all that needs to be said.  Do you want the thousand words with each picture?  Shall we include a narrative with each funny animated gif?

Once I get my laptop out, I will do something to make a reference for these graphs, stats, etc.  IMHO, as the one most likely to come up with number crunching that requires a graduate math degree to interpret, I should do this.  After watching the responses to some of the the analyses here, I think that explaining what I can see is like me trying to understand how Rashid Nezhmetdinov could think chess the way he did.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, ... said:

Well, it's either overblown or the only legit excuse for his play during the last two regular seasons.  Can't have it both ways.

Maybe, but 11 points in the playoffs for the Bruins, 8th on their team scoring so he can play in tough games. Will he for us? Dunno, but its a 2 year deal and we need players now while kids grow so I see absolutely no problem with the signing. Could be huge dividends, and if not, we shouldn't be any worse. 

[pi2000]

His last name sounds too much like Josefson. 

[Doohicksie]

3 hours ago, ... said:

So, I'm going to edit this down, even though it's been quoted already.  I don't really intend to come off as hostile on this matter, it does, though seem ridiculous it's "a thing". Those charts, in the order I posted them (chronologically) say all that needs to be said.

I understand your intent *now* but when they were first posted I didn't even pick up on the fact that they were from different time periods.  In trying to see what they were saying I looked at the actual charts and didn't notice the headers were different until it was pointed out. 

Here's a case where Wildcard shared a tweet upthread:

...and while he didn't put any words with it, the person who tweeted the chart did:  "Marcus Johansson is great at zone entries."  There's a message to sum up the data. 

When people post charts without explaining why they're posting them, they are nothing but noise.  I see what your point is now, but when you post 8 sets of data, it wasn't readily apparent  (i.e., it didn't stand out) that the point you were trying to make was his performance over time.  And even if it was, one interpretation of that would be a negative:  This guy was really good, but lately he sucked.  Without framing it, even if I got the difference in time periods, the message wasn't clear.

One or two remarks added turns it into useful information.  And it doesn't come off as hostile, but it is a bit snobbish:  "I'm posting it and it should be blatantly obvious to the most casual observer what my point is."  Only it's not obvious to everyone.

I said upthread I didn't want to digress anymore, but here I am doing it.  You may not agree with my point, but hopefully you understand what I'm saying.  In general I enjoy your posts and I do learn a lot of useful information from you. 

Edited July 7, 2019 by Doohickie

[PerreaultForever]

I really don't get the complaints over this. We've added a good player and we didn't subtract anything to add him. It's a good thing. 

[Doohicksie]

2 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I really don't get the complaints over this. We've added a good player and we didn't subtract anything to add him. It's a good thing. 

Basically it doesn't clearly address the most pressing need of 2C.  We have a crowded roster and no apparent 2C.  That's the complaint, anyway.

I think we need to wait and see what else JBot does.  The season doesn't begin tomorrow, there's still time. 

[carpandean]

5 hours ago, E4 ... Ke2 said:

IMHO, as the one most likely to come up with number crunching that requires a graduate math degree to interpret, I should do this.

?

I think you might be surprised by how many people here meet that requirement.  That said, your willingness to help others by setting it up is still appreciated.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

19 hours ago, TrueBlueGED said:

If this is the answer at 2C, then Botterill has still neglected the position. 

I really think you missed his point and your sarcasm metre needs a tune up, eh?

[Sabres Fan in NS]

19 hours ago, WildCard said:

@NS if there was ever a time for it....

At your service ...

EHLERS!!

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[Cascade Youth]

9 hours ago, Doohickie said:

I don't think that would solve my complaint upthread. My issue is that posting *any* third party content without doing some level of dicussion about it- what your opinion of it is, what point you're trying to make, is just poor communication. 

Let it support your point, but don't try to make content from another site *be* your point.