Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 11:01 PM, Weave said: 17 goals last season. I didn’t see him play last season but if there is still gas in the tank he might be a good fit on Casey’s wing. Expand From what I have seen of him and read, he's pretty fried, or verrrrrrrrrry close to it anyway. If only those 2009-2011 Sabres teams could have had Simmonds... Quote
Hoss Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:25 AM, LTS said: My guess is that he's going to get an Okposo like contract... and if that's the case I think you have to steer clear. However, if he's coming in on the right contract I would take him. I remain genuinely curious just how much the expansion draft and the upcoming collective bargaining expiration will have on how GMs are trying to build their teams. Any NMC's handed out now have to be done with care unless you want to get screwed over at the expansion draft (like the Knights were able to do to teams). I'm sure it will be chock full of stupid though.. as usual. Expand No way on him getting an Okposo deal. He’ll get a short term deal, maybe even one year. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 23, 2019 Author Report Posted June 23, 2019 Karlsson’s New Deal is 8 years 6 Million AAV Quote
dudacek Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 So we have to be talking to Vegas, right? They needed to close Wild Bill before making their next move. Running out of cap-crunch targets here. 1 Quote
darksabre Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:37 PM, dudacek said: So we have to be talking to Vegas, right? They needed to close Wild Bill before making their next move. Running out of cap-crunch targets here. Expand I would assume Vegas is Botterill's primary trade target. There's players on that team that seem to fit Botterill. 2 Quote
Sabel79 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:37 PM, dudacek said: So we have to be talking to Vegas, right? They needed to close Wild Bill before making their next move. Running out of cap-crunch targets here. Expand Vegas is $2 million over the cap before Karlsson's new deal gets added in; they have to make some moves. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) On 6/23/2019 at 3:41 PM, darksabre said: I would assume Vegas is Botterill's primary trade target. There's players on that team that seem to fit Botterill. Expand I'm not sure how they did it but they have so many legitimately good hockey players. I think they're easily in the WCFs if that major penalty doesn't get called. They were playing some of the best team hockey I've seen in a while. And I think they'll contend again next season. On 6/23/2019 at 3:41 PM, Sabel79 said: Vegas is $2 million over the cap before Karlsson's new deal gets added in; they have to make some moves. Expand What was Karlsson making before this contract? Edited June 23, 2019 by Randall Flagg Quote
dudacek Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) On 6/23/2019 at 3:42 PM, Randall Flagg said: I'm not sure how they did it but they have so many legitimately good hockey players. I think they're easily in the WCFs if that major penalty doesn't get called. And I think they'll contend again next season. What was Karlsson making before this contract? Expand Think he was on a one-year prove-it deal at just over $5 million. Edited June 23, 2019 by dudacek Quote
Sabel79 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) On 6/23/2019 at 3:42 PM, Randall Flagg said: What was Karlsson making before this contract? Expand His cap hit was $5.25M, but that's not factored in to the current number per CapFriendly. Edited June 23, 2019 by Sabel79 I'm an idiot who can't read. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:23 PM, Brawndo said: Karlsson’s New Deal is 8 years 6 Million AAV Expand There's one RFA target off the books before the purported "offer sheet offseason" even begins. Shocking. Anyway, that's a pretty sweetheart deal for Vegas, damn. 1 Quote
Hoss Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:23 PM, Brawndo said: Karlsson’s New Deal is 8 years 6 Million AAV Expand He should fire his agent. 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:53 PM, Hoss said: He should fire his agent. Expand I think he really likes Vegas and gave the team a bigish discount. His agent, no doubt, did what he asked. Quote
#freejame Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:55 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: I think he really likes Vegas and gave the team a bigish discount. His agent, no doubt, did what he asked. Expand Friendlier tax state as well Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:57 PM, #freejame said: Friendlier tax state as well Expand I'm no expert, just a regular CPA, but it seems that the way it works that is not as big an advantage as many think. I think @TrueBlueGED explained it some time ago, but he used big words and numbers. Quote
#freejame Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 4:00 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: I'm no expert, just a regular CPA, but it seems that the way it works that is not as big an advantage as many think. I think @TrueBlueGED explained it some time ago, but he used big words and numbers. Expand In baseball where you’re playing on that particular day decides your tax level. I would assume hockey is similar. But I don’t believe bonus payouts are applied like this. 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 4:04 PM, #freejame said: In baseball where you’re playing on that particular day decides your tax level. I would assume hockey is similar. But I don’t believe bonus payouts are applied like this. Expand I think you are right, or mostly right. It is something like that. Quote
Hoss Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 Seeing players sign cheaper deals elsewhere is a unique thing that I’ll never understand because it simply does not happen here. Can we please build something meaningful? Quote
Thorner Posted June 23, 2019 Report Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:41 PM, darksabre said: I would assume Vegas is Botterill's primary trade target. There's players on that team that seem to fit Botterill. Expand You are usually pretty good with these, so I'm keeping and eye on Vegas. On 6/23/2019 at 3:42 PM, Randall Flagg said: I'm not sure how they did it but they have so many legitimately good hockey players. I think they're easily in the WCFs if that major penalty doesn't get called. They were playing some of the best team hockey I've seen in a while. And I think they'll contend again next season. What was Karlsson making before this contract? Expand I think they would have won the cup. 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 24, 2019 Report Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) Tiers of players that we could possibly court or sign:Yes please Artemi Panarin Joonas Donskoi Ryan Dzingel Brett Connolly Brandon Tanev one of Jordie Benn or Patrik Nemeth or Tim HeedSure, fine Matt Duchene Sergei Bobrovsky SJ Joes Gus Nyqvist Marcus Johansson Anton Stralman Zucc Oscar Lindberg Richard Panik Gardiner Michael Ferland Ryan CarpenterNo Corey Perry Jason Spezza Dion Tyler Myers Anders Lee Dan Girardi Marcus Kruger Filppula Troy Brouwer Wayne Simmonds I know I missed plenty of names but yeah. This is obviously not ranked in order of how good I think the players are, just their fits on Sabres teams of the next few years as UFA. Edited June 24, 2019 by Randall Flagg Quote
WildCard Posted June 24, 2019 Report Posted June 24, 2019 Joonas DonskoiRyan DzingelBrett ConnollyBrandon Tanev 100% yes, especially those first two Quote
dudacek Posted June 24, 2019 Report Posted June 24, 2019 Once I factor in what I expect the player to cost, I struggle to come up with anyone in free agency that excites me. Quote
WildCard Posted June 24, 2019 Report Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 2:24 PM, WildCard said: Joonas DonskoiRyan DzingelBrett ConnollyBrandon Tanev 100% yes, especially those first two Expand On 6/24/2019 at 2:29 PM, dudacek said: Once I factor in what I expect the player to cost, I struggle to come up with anyone in free agency that excites me. Expand Those 4 definitely should Quote
dudacek Posted June 24, 2019 Report Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) On 6/24/2019 at 2:41 PM, WildCard said: Those 4 definitely should Expand What might excite me: Dzingel or Donskoi 4 years @16 million, Connolly 3 years @10 million What they will get: Dzingel or Donskoi 5-6 years @25-30 million, Connolly 4 years @16 million Tanev might be available at something more reasonable. Edited June 24, 2019 by dudacek Quote
WildCard Posted June 24, 2019 Report Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 2:45 PM, dudacek said: What will excite me: Dzingel or Donskoi 4 years @16 million, Connolly 3 years @10 million What they will get: Dzingel or Donskoi 5-6 years @25-30 million, Connolly 4 years @6 millon Expand I mean they put up some really solid numbers with garbage average time on ice. I'd love to overpay for those guys for that contract length; they'll be in their early 30s at the end of it Quote
darksabre Posted June 24, 2019 Report Posted June 24, 2019 Donskoi is my ideal middle six signing, but I do think he's going to cost too much given that he's more 3rd line than 2nd line in that middle six. Quote
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