How do we acquire 2nd line center?

[sweetlou]

Iv'e seen in several posts that we need to trade Risto for 2nd line center or try and sign a 2nd line center via UFA or offer sheet.  

How do you propose we improve the Sabres 2nd line next year and going forward?

I personally would sign Duchene for 7 years and 8.5 million AAV or trade/offer sheet for William Karlsson of Vegas, (younger and cheaper) for 6 years 6.5 AAV.

You could always move Mitts to a top six LW and use ERod as third line center.

[LGR4GM]

Trade or UFA. There will be options in ufa for 1.

[SABRES 0311]

I think Risto is expendable but alone will not get a 2C. Need something in the deal to mitigate the +\-.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, SABRES 0311 said:

I think Risto is expendable but alone will not get a 2C. Need something in the deal to mitigate the +\-.

He's physical, the most important hockey trait. Just ask around. 

[SABRES 0311]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

He's physical, the most important hockey trait. Just ask around. 

Ya but I don’t know if it’s enough to overlook the mistakes he makes in his own end. If the other team had a lot of scoring depth maybe.

[LGR4GM]

It doesn't matter, he's physical. It's all that matters. Just listen to everyone tell u so. 

[Gatorman0519]

When we trade Risto he will become a legendary top tier defenseman like everyone else does when they leave hockey hell lol

[Tony Cegielski]

Right now I think Botterrill is more concerned about the World Championshiop team than he's 

about the Sabres...He doesn't have his priorities right..Time to get rid of him and get someone

that knows what's happening and hire hockey people.

[Wyldnwoody44]

23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It doesn't matter, he's physical. It's all that matters. Just listen to everyone tell u so. 

[SABRES 0311]

13 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Taking advantage of the GIPH capability. This thing pays for itself.

38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It doesn't matter, he's physical. It's all that matters. Just listen to everyone tell u so. 

I’m getting the feeling we are on the same page. 

[Wyldnwoody44]

2 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Taking advantage of the GIPH capability. This thing pays for itself.

I’m getting the feeling we are on the same page. 

Liger is the king of embedding gifs and vids, so any chance I can do it and get a chuckle Is a huge moral victory ?

[Brawndo]

1 hour ago, sweetlou said:

Iv'e seen in several posts that we need to trade Risto for 2nd line center or try and sign a 2nd line center via UFA or offer sheet.  

How do you propose we improve the Sabres 2nd line next year and going forward?

I personally would sign Duchene for 7 years and 8.5 million AAV or trade/offer sheet for William Karlsson of Vegas, (younger and cheaper) for 6 years 6.5 AAV.

You could always move Mitts to a top six LW and use ERod as third line center.

The Sabres do not have their 2020 third round pick that would be required to make a offer sheet at this AAV. 

[LGR4GM]

30 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

[nucci]

Hopefully we get a good one and don't trade him

[SwampD]

6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

It doesn't matter, he's physical. It's all that matters. Just listen to everyone tell u so. 

It's not all that matters,… but it does matter.

Just ask all the teams that had great regular seasons but are out now.

[LGR4GM]

16 hours ago, SwampD said:

It's not all that matters,… but it does matter.

Just ask all the teams that had great regular seasons but are out now.

They aren't out now because of physicality. Tampa hit a hot goalie and got outworked after being on cruise control for months. Pittsburgh isn't that good and the ilanders have been playing some extremely sound defensive hockey for months. Show me a team that lost specifically because they "were not physical". 

I think physical gets used to encompass forechecking and backchecking, and generally working hard. All good teams do that otherwise they wouldn't be good.

Also if the game changes so much in the playoffs you have to have a team of Lucic's to be successful then the problem isn't being physical enough, the problem is the rules of the game. 

[SwampD]

25 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

They aren't out now because of physicality. Tampa hit a hot goalie and got outworked after being on cruise control for months. Pittsburgh isn't that good and the ilanders have been playing some extremely sound defensive hockey for months. Show me a team that lost specifically because they "were not physical". 

I think physical gets used to encompass forechecking and backchecking, and generally working hard. All good teams do that otherwise they wouldn't be good.

Also if the game changes so much in the playoffs you have to have a team of Lucic's to be successful then the problem isn't being physical enough, the problem is the rules of the game. 

Why do you always have to go to the extreme? You don’t need to “have a team of Lucic’s” to be successful. But everyone needs to play a little tougher. And it’s kind of ironic you chose a player who has been pretty successful in the playoffs.

Do you really not see a difference from the regular season in the way it’s played and officiated?

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, SwampD said:

Why do you always have to go to the extreme? You don’t need to “have a team of Lucic’s” to be successful. But everyone needs to play a little tougher. And it’s kind of ironic you chose a player who has been pretty successful in the playoffs.

Do you really not see a difference from the regular season in the way it’s played and officiated?

Good reason why hockey will always be a secondary sport. It has different rules at different times of years.

I take it to the extreme because others do. Tampa didn't lose because they "weren't physical enough". They lost because they weren't good enough. Physicality is only a part of that. 

Also this has become another excuse for why the Sabres are bad. They aren't physical enough, the culture need to change, you gotta stick up for your team. No, you need to go play hockey and execute. The Sabres don't suck because the culture or they have too many 5'10" guys, they suck because they don't have enough talent.

[SwampD]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Good reason why hockey will always be a secondary sport. It has different rules at different times of years.

I take it to the extreme because others do. Tampa didn't lose because they "weren't physical enough". They lost because they weren't good enough. Physicality is only a part of that. 

A really big part. They were frustrated that everything they did in the regular season, they had to do with a guy on their back.

[Derrico]

I think officiating changes come playoff time in every sport.  Just ask the saints ?

[LGR4GM]

11 minutes ago, SwampD said:

A really big part. They were frustrated that everything they did in the regular season, they had to do with a guy on their back.

It isn't a big part. You are confusing physicality with intensity. 

[North Buffalo]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It isn't a big part. You are confusing physicality with intensity. 

Interesting debate... though I think its both... intensity begets physicality and physicality can unnerve the other team and limit physicality especially if they see themselves as not being physical enough to stand up to other team.  Skill and speed can negate physicality if a team doesnt back down and if a team remains intense.  Really good teams have a blend of both imo.

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Interesting debate... though I think its both... intensity begets physicality and physicality can unnerve the other team and limit physicality especially if they see themselves as not being physical enough to stand up to other team.  Skill and speed can negate physicality if a team doesnt back down and if a team remains intense.  Really good teams have a blend of both imo.

... that makes a lot of sense. I yield. Well stated. 

 

[SwampD]

26 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It isn't a big part. You are confusing physicality with intensity. 

No. I’m not.

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, SwampD said:

No. I’m not.

I have yielded the point. I am incorrect and I see what you are driving at.