TrueBlueGED Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Weave said: We're deep in 3rd pairing/7th defenceman types. Moving Risto opens a BIG hole that we can't fill internally. One could argue Risto is a big hole. 1
Weave Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: One could argue Risto is a big hole. Tampa fans on twitter are making that very point. Ouch.
TrueBlueGED Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 Just now, Weave said: Tampa fans on twitter are making that very point. Ouch. I don't dislike Risto nearly as much as most stats-oriented observers, but I definitely think he's heartily overrated by most of the Sabres fanbase. Ultimately I think he's a 3/4 who needs to be sheltered at evens and get 2nd unit PP time. Through that lens, it hurts a lot less to move him.
Weave Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: I don't dislike Risto nearly as much as most stats-oriented observers, but I definitely think he's heartily overrated by most of the Sabres fanbase. Ultimately I think he's a 3/4 who needs to be sheltered at evens and get 2nd unit PP time. Through that lens, it hurts a lot less to move him. I hate moving him with nothing ready for that role in the farm though.
TrueBlueGED Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Weave said: I hate moving him with nothing ready for that role in the farm though. That's certainly fair. I just kind of feel we're going to create a hole we can't immediately fill with any hockey trade we make that swaps D for F or vice versa.
Carmel Corn Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: I don't dislike Risto nearly as much as most stats-oriented observers, but I definitely think he's heartily overrated by most of the Sabres fanbase. Ultimately I think he's a 3/4 who needs to be sheltered at evens and get 2nd unit PP time. Through that lens, it hurts a lot less to move him. So without Risto, that leaves us with: Dahlin - future all-star McCabe - another 3/4 IMHO BOGO - will be a UFA after next season? Scandella - should be a 5/6 Beaulieu - 5/6 if he is even here after Monday Hunwick - 5/6 and not getting any younger Nelson - can't crack the current lineup Pilut - too small Guhle - still waiting for him to stick with the big boys Borgen - interesting but not sure when we'll see him Laksonan (?) - who knows Samuelsson (?) - who knows Risto maybe more a 3/4 to your point, problem is that we can't expect to contend with the list above unless another name appears not currently in the system. 1
TrueBlueGED Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: So without Risto, that leaves us with: Dahlin - future all-star McCabe - another 3/4 IMHO BOGO - will be a UFA after next season? Scandella - should be a 5/6 Beaulieu - 5/6 if he is even here after Monday Hunwick - 5/6 and not getting any younger Nelson - can't crack the current lineup Pilut - too small Guhle - still waiting for him to stick with the big boys Borgen - interesting but not sure when we'll see him Laksonan (?) - who knows Samuelsson (?) - who knows Risto maybe more a 3/4 to your point, problem is that we can't expect to contend with the list above unless another name appears not currently in the system. You can do this same exercise with top-6 forwards. I don't think it's a good argument not to make a trade.
Carmel Corn Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 1 minute ago, TrueBlueGED said: You can do this same exercise with top-6 forwards. I don't think it's a good argument not to make a trade. IMHO - top 6 forwards are easier to find vs. top 4 D-men
TrueBlueGED Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 Just now, Carmel Corn said: IMHO - top 6 forwards are easier to find vs. top 4 D-men Maybe, but I might argue a 2C is more impactful than a 3/4D.
Carmel Corn Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Maybe, but I might argue a 2C is more impactful than a 3/4D. In our team's current state, I would agree with you!
Scottysabres Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 Well, if not for nothing, it gave us something to talk on for a few hours this windy Sunday afternoon. So a big thank you to Andy Strickland for that, at least one of those sports reporters hadn't forgotten about us here on Sabrespace ?
LGR4GM Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 51 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: So without Risto, that leaves us with: Dahlin - future all-star McCabe - another 3/4 IMHO BOGO - will be a UFA after next season? Scandella - should be a 5/6 Beaulieu - 5/6 if he is even here after Monday Hunwick - 5/6 and not getting any younger Nelson - can't crack the current lineup Pilut - too small Guhle - still waiting for him to stick with the big boys Borgen - interesting but not sure when we'll see him Laksonan (?) - who knows Samuelsson (?) - who knows Risto maybe more a 3/4 to your point, problem is that we can't expect to contend with the list above unless another name appears not currently in the system. Pilut is not "too small" Terrible analysis of his game.
Huckleberry Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 I think this Risto trade talks with Tampa is more laying the groundwork for that trade come july 1st.
Brawndo Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Pilut is not "too small" Terrible analysis of his game. Yep, we need Defenseman like him who excel at taking possession of the puck in the defensive zone and make a zone exit to turn it into an offensive possession. 7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I think this Risto trade talks with Tampa is more laying the groundwork for that trade come july 1st. I agree with this wholeheartedly
inkman Posted February 24, 2019 Report Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Weave said: Tampa fans on twitter are making that very point. Ouch. Which makes it even more Paramount they move him. I love Risto but the analytics are frightening. Risto is just a notch above Sobotka, who may be the worst player in the NHL.
Carmel Corn Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Pilut is not "too small" Terrible analysis of his game. Yes he is too small, in the defensive zone. If he can put some pounds on to take care of business in front of his own net, then I'll change my tune. He would be better suited playing forward on this team until he fills out some more.
Samson's Flow Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 Didn't see anybody having "trade for Montour" in here. JBott is very tight lipped before trades go down On 2/22/2019 at 4:43 PM, Scottysabres said: I expect any Sabres deal will come after the Capitals/Sabres Saturday matinee game, if any at all occur. While I am in the group that is disappointed in the Sabres collapse since the streak in November, and I have openly said I am now for moving on from Housley, I am not one of those who want to move one of the 1st rd picks for a rental or 1 yr remaining contract. If one of the 1st's is moved, it has to be for either term or control. What happens at this deadline is secondary, to myself in any event, to what happens this draft and off season.Would I like to make the playoffs? You betch'ya I would. I am also on record stating it is of the up most importance to get these young'uns to play high impact, high pressure hockey. But not for a single season while at the expense of the future. This was is the ballpark while not mentioning Montour or Guhle specifically 1
Taro T Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Weave said: Welp, I was wrong already. Knew I should've gone with a "middling prospect or Beaulieu for a 3/4 RHD." Rather than for a 5/6 RHD. :p
... Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 Let's see, how about a roster D man is likely to get moved out of here before July 4th. Maybe before noon Monday.
Scottysabres Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod 6m6 minutes ago More Hearing Sabres have a couple things still cooking. Told talks on moving Beaulieu have picked up the last few days. Not sure Ristolainen is truly in play, but we’ll see. Team wants to upgrade forward corps.
Huckleberry Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, Weave said: Welp, I was wrong already. Don't think any of us would have predicted this, Botts doesn't let out much, I like how he keeps blindsiding us all.
matter2003 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Weave said: I hate moving him with nothing ready for that role in the farm though. Not no more, Billy...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) On 2/22/2019 at 10:12 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Like with the Skinner trade and the Sheats trades, I think something is brewing. I’m not sure what, but some team is going to have to move a player for cap space to make a bigger deal and Jbot will take advantage. On 2/22/2019 at 10:30 PM, dudacek said: I agree. I think the plan is to nurture the kids, dump the big ticket players he didn't believe in and use his cap space (and possibly his draft and prospect capital) to invest in players he does like when the opportunities present themselves. Skinner was one, and there will be more. Montour deal? A perfect Jbot pick-up. A 24 year old former USHL/NCAA player (from nearby by Branford Ont), a proven NHL player with more upside with control (1 year left at 3.3875 and then RFA). Also then proven RHD we were desperate for to play alongside Dahlin. Edited February 25, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN
Scottysabres Posted February 25, 2019 Report Posted February 25, 2019 The next 14 hours or so are going to be rather interesting for Sabres fans. Let's see if Botterill can pull a 2C out of that top hat of his. As of now, if the Strickland post has any substance behind the scenes at all, I have to believe it's JT Miller. We've also been told to keep an eye on Wennberg out of Columbus by Jeremy White's SuperSaucySabresSomething or other. Then there was the report of AGM Greeley at the Boston/LA with a Buffalo scout, what here is a ? to me in any event. One thing is certain, the Sabres and Lightning have been scouting each other heavily the past 3 weeks. Is it Risto? Don't know, but there is definitely something there imo.
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