jame Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Thorny said: This is two sides of the same coin. If fact it's saying the exact same thing dude. We are talking the difference between a player being in the lineup, or not being in the lineup. It’s really not. One is a presumption (Sabres would be really bad without Eichel), the other is a fact (the Bruins are really good with Bergeron). By the way, Bergeron missed some time this year... he’s playing at a 40 goal /106 point pace at 41 games this year. Edited February 16, 2019 by jame Quote
Pimlach Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Eleven said: Ugh I find it so tough to root for a guy who does that. C'mon, Skinner. Play an honest game. Happens every night in just about every game. Quote
SABRES 0311 Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) Kucherov-26g 66a 92 points Eichel - 18g 43a 61 points Kucherov has a better team to play with though. In response to an argument someone else was having. Edited February 16, 2019 by SABRES 0311 Quote
Thorner Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jame said: It’s really not. One is a presumption (Sabres would be really bad without Eichel), the other is a fact (the Bruins are really good with Bergeron). Of course the whole thing is a hypothetical, presumption. We can't begin to understand the full value a player brings to a team, if we don't try to understand what that team would be without said player. The Bruins are also really good with Krejci. This is logic 101. I disagree with PA on this almost entirely, but at least his posts on the matter aren't full of logical fallacies. You aren't presenting the winning arguments you think you are, they are riddled with contradictions. You contradict YOURSELF so often that you find a ton of posters jumping on you. Edited February 16, 2019 by Thorny Quote
Eleven Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Pimlach said: Happens every night in just about every game. Yep. Roy was a master at it, too. (OTOH, I do claim this: Semin (Caps) was called for diving a few seasons ago, at the Arena. I screamed out, "Semin, you're a swimmer, not a diver!") It is perhaps my greatest moment. It is a sad life. 2 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 Now, something to remember is that the refs are now learning that Skinner played them. We've got to score on our power play immediately, because human nature says they'll try to find an immediate fault with us to negate the mistake... or the Rangers will get their own PP at the next trivial opportunity. Get the puck, enter the zone, pass, and score, and do it efficiently. No disintigrations and no mucking around in the corner where they'll call us for some phantom holding. Quote
jame Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Thorny said: Of course the whole thing is a hypothetical, presumption. We can't begin to understand the value a player brings to a team, if we don't try to understand what they team would be without said player. This is logic 101. Lol logic 101 isn’t just making stuff up. Seriously, you’re argument is that Matt Duchene is an MVP candidate... Edited February 16, 2019 by jame Quote
Tondas Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Now, something to remember is that the refs are now learning that Skinner played them. We've got to score on our power play immediately, because human nature says they'll try to find an immediate fault with us to negate the mistake... or the Rangers will get their own PP at the next trivial opportunity. Get the puck, enter the zone, pass, and score, and do it efficiently. No disintigrations and no mucking around in the corner where they'll call us for some phantom holding. If the refs don't watch the replay board, which they are not supposed to do, then there should be no problem. Yes I am naive. Edited February 16, 2019 by Tondas Quote
Ogre Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, DarthEbriate said: Now, something to remember is that the refs are now learning that Skinner played them. We've got to score on our power play immediately, because human nature says they'll try to find an immediate fault with us to negate the mistake... or the Rangers will get their own PP at the next trivial opportunity. Get the puck, enter the zone, pass, and score, and do it efficiently. No disintigrations and no mucking around in the corner where they'll call us for some phantom holding. So pretty much your advice is to “let the force flow through you”? Am I reading this right? Quote
Thorner Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, jame said: Lol logic 101 isn’t just making stuff up. Said the priest to Galileo. I'm sure logic seems like wizardry to you, but that's only because it's so incredibly foreign to you. Quote
jame Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Said the priest to Galileo. I'm sure logic seems like wizardry to you, but that's only because it's so incredibly foreign to you. Here’s your argument exposed: Echel 1.15 points per game Duchene 1.13 points per game imagine how bad Ottawa would be without Duchene, therfore Duchen is an MVP candidate Quote
Thorner Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, jame said: Lol logic 101 isn’t just making stuff up. Seriously, you’re argument is that Matt Duchene is an MVP candidate... Ouch. So I've already got your down to your 'B" argument, I see..how many you got? Duchene isn't even leading HIS OWN TEAM in points production. Again, you are out to lunch. Quote
jame Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Ouch. So I've already got your down to your 'B" argument, I see..how many you got? Duchene isn't even leading HIS OWN TEAM in points production. Again, you are out to lunch. Yea I could go A-Z on arguments that counter your “eichel is an mvp candidate because it feels right” argument Quote
Thorner Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jame said: Here’s your argument exposed: Echel 1.15 points per game Duchene 1.13 points per game imagine how bad Ottawa would be without Duchene, therfore Duchen is an MVP candidate The Hart trophy is value relative to their team. Do you know this? In a hypothetical scenario where a team has two 100 point players, and another team has a 80 point guy and the next closest has 40, I'm giving the Hart to the guy on the second team, based on the actual definition of the award. Edited February 16, 2019 by Thorny Quote
Brawndo Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 CJ Smith is an above average skater Quote
Nitro60 Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 That is one strong force field the Rangers are deploying. Some how that puck avoids the net on multiple occasions tonight. Quote
sodbuster Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 One of these chances HAS to go in eventually, right? ...Right? Quote
Stoner Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thorny said: The Hart trophy is value relative to their team. Do you know this? In a hypothetical scenario where a team has two 100 point players, and another team has a 80 point guy and the next closest has 40, I'm giving the Hart to the guy on the second team, based on the actual definition of the award. Your argument has a Skinner problem. Quote
jame Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Thorny said: The Hart trophy is value relative to their team. Do you know this? Yea remember all the Hart trophies Tavares won over Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Ovie, Perry.... your false insertion of the term “relative” did not go unnoticed. Clever, but wrong. Edited February 16, 2019 by jame Quote
Thorner Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Your argument has a Skinner problem. Eichel has 10 more points than the next closest Sabre, in 3 less games. The spread between Jack and Skinner, top 1/2 scorers, is larger than that on most teams. Edited February 16, 2019 by Thorny Quote
Eleven Posted February 16, 2019 Report Posted February 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, jame said: How many Hart candidates do you think there are? 30 minutes ago, jame said: So you overrate eichel as much as the other guy underrates him. 26 minutes ago, jame said: You know we have data on the Sabres performance with Eichel out on long term injuries right? and it’s not about how much a team suffers without a player, it’s about how much said player lifts them. 14 minutes ago, jame said: Lol logic 101 isn’t just making stuff up. Seriously, you’re argument is that Matt Duchene is an MVP candidate... 7 minutes ago, jame said: Here’s your argument exposed: Echel 1.15 points per game Duchene 1.13 points per game imagine how bad Ottawa would be without Duchene, therfore Duchen is an MVP candidate 5 minutes ago, jame said: Yea I could go A-Z on arguments that counter your “eichel is an mvp candidate because it feels right” argument I would like it if you would reconsider your tone. Sadly, maybe even pathetically, I've been a member of this community for fourteen and a half years. The people to whom you are responding are my friends. Some of them, I have met in real life; some, not. Most of them were there for me when I went through the worst thing I ever could have imagined. It certainly transcended sports. You have an utter disregard for politeness and a complete disrespect for anyone other than you, from what I can tell from your limited time here. I don't care if you want to attack me. Go ahead. As above, I've suffered worse. But please stop being disrespectful to my friends. I thank you in advance. Quote
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