SwampD Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 And if it was the other way around, the Bills player would be getting roasted.
shrader Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, SwampD said: And if it was the other way around, the Bills player would be getting roasted. If it was the other way around and Brady took the hit, the Bills player would probably have been executed by now.
JujuFish Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 The hit didn't look intentional to me. I don't get the uproar. 2
SwampD Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, JujuFish said: The hit didn't look intentional to me. I don't get the uproar. Wow. Now he didn't even try to hit him. Everyone is delusional. And the beat goes on. I can't wait for the next time a Bill makes a hit like this and we will hear ad naseum how "he just can't make that hit",... "There is just no place for that in the game." I've heard it my whole life.
JujuFish Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, SwampD said: Wow. Now he didn't even try to hit him. Everyone is delusional. And the beat goes on. I can't wait for the next time a Bill makes a hit like this and we will hear ad naseum how "he just can't make that hit",... "There is just no place for that in the game." I've heard it my whole life. I'm obviously referring to the helmet-to-helmet aspect of the hit.
pi2000 Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 It was a football play. Those collisions happen. Allen leaned forward head first while getting dragged down. Maybe Jones could've turned more at an angle, but it's not like he came in head first. Just a tough play all around. Allen needs to protect himself better, Jones needs to maybe be more aware of the target, but I don't think it's a fine worthy play. 1
SwampD Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, JujuFish said: I'm obviously referring to the helmet-to-helmet aspect of the hit. My point exactly. Somehow, whenever it's MFT we know that there was no intent. Jones had his head up the entire play, targeted the head, then stood ever him taunting him. I know exactly what his intentions were. Intent, jebus, the ref can't even tell when someone jumps offside, and want them to judge intentions. 1
Andrew Amerk Posted October 1, 2019 Report Posted October 1, 2019 He looked to me like he was targeting the head the whole way. He figured “here’s our chance to take out their top player on offense,” and he did. Both Belichek and Brady have made statements that allude to backing this line of thinking. The taunting/gloating after the play only reinforces that he knew what he was doing, and did. Allen was already being tackled and on his way down - it was an unnecessary play - and these are the kinds of things that made me stop watching football for the last few years, until this season. 1
nfreeman Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, SwampD said: Wow. Now he didn't even try to hit him. Everyone is delusional. And the beat goes on. I can't wait for the next time a Bill makes a hit like this and we will hear ad naseum how "he just can't make that hit",... "There is just no place for that in the game." I've heard it my whole life. Oh, the refs, the refs! Any data to support this assertion? (Just kidding -- I know the answer.)
shrader Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, SwampD said: My point exactly. Somehow, whenever it's MFT we know that there was no intent. Jones had his head up the entire play, targeted the head, then stood ever him taunting him. I know exactly what his intentions were. Intent, jebus, the ref can't even tell when someone jumps offside, and want them to judge intentions. Take a look at where his arms are the entire time. That’s he perfect example of the problem the NFL has with these hits. He’s not trying to tackle, he’s trying to hurt. 2
SDS Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 I think the biggest piece of evidence that indicates his intent is that he never changed his level. If he wanted to tackle Josh he should have lowered his level and hit him at the waist. Instead he came in high and stayed high. 2
That Aud Smell Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 ^ I don’t think he had the luxury of time to make the least destructive hit. He set his feet 3’ from the first down, and then braced for impact. If he goes lower, Allen likely goes over top for a first down.
SwampD Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: Oh, the refs, the refs! Any data to support this assertion? (Just kidding -- I know the answer.) Oh thank God, I was just calming down.
CallawaySabres Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 With the Bills off to such a strong start, I don't think I have ever been less excited about a Sabres opener in the last 8 years. I don't know if it's because the Bills actually have a shot this year, or if it's the fact that this Sabres team looks to be total garbage again. How is it that no mater how many changes are made on this team, they keep going backwards? I really do think that they are going to have fewer points than last year and there is no possible way Botteril can survive that.....none. I think it would be a major accomplishment if this season wasn't buried by mid January. I really hope I am way off on this one......
Andrew Amerk Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said: With the Bills off to such a strong start, I don't think I have ever been less excited about a Sabres opener in the last 8 years. I don't know if it's because the Bills actually have a shot this year, or if it's the fact that this Sabres team looks to be total garbage again. How is it that no mater how many changes are made on this team, they keep going backwards? I really do think that they are going to have fewer points than last year and there is no possible way Botteril can survive that.....none. I think it would be a major accomplishment if this season wasn't buried by mid January. I really hope I am way off on this one...... Unless Botterill is finally going to gunsling Risto for a 2C or a very capable winger, I think we are looking at a wishy washy season again.
freester Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said: Unless Botterill is finally going to gunsling Risto for a 2C or a very capable winger, I think we are looking at a wishy washy season again. Unfortunately I highly doubt a top 6 forward is coming back. There’s a reason all the national pundits have picked the Sabres to finish in the basement.
Andrew Amerk Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, freester said: Unfortunately I highly doubt a top 6 forward is coming back. There’s a reason all the national pundits have picked the Sabres to finish in the basement. Makes you wonder if he was overvaluing Risto, or just had cold feet from “losing” the ROR trade.
inkman Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Andrew Amerk said: Makes you wonder if he was overvaluing Risto, or just had cold feet from “losing” the ROR trade. Yes
freester Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, Andrew Amerk said: Makes you wonder if he was overvaluing Risto, or just had cold feet from “losing” the ROR trade. I think both are accurate. When you make one of the worst trades in NHL history I’m sure you get a little gun shy
Taro T Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 5 hours ago, SDS said: I think the biggest piece of evidence that indicates his intent is that he never changed his level. If he wanted to tackle Josh he should have lowered his level and hit him at the waist. Instead he came in high and stayed high. Shouldn't he have also at least made an attempt to "wrap up" Allen? After he pops him w/ his shoulder/ helmet/ whatever else it is clear as Allen hits the turf, his right hand (on the side he made contact with) is being shook right by his thigh in what seems to be (to this Homer at least) a "take that new meat" gesture. Which had his intent had been to tackle him, rather than to separate him from Sunday, would've been rather difficult to do as that hand would've been wrapped around Josh. My 2 cents.
SwampD Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Taro T said: Shouldn't he have also at least made an attempt to "wrap up" Allen? After he pops him w/ his shoulder/ helmet/ whatever else it is clear as Allen hits the turf, his right hand (on the side he made contact with) is being shook right by his thigh in what seems to be (to this Homer at least) a "take that new meat" gesture. Which had his intent had been to tackle him, rather than to separate him from Sunday, would've been rather difficult to do as that hand would've been wrapped around Josh. My 2 cents. Shhh. It was Josh’s fault. Didn’t you hear every today saying that? 1
darksabre Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 That's good news. But I wonder how many more shots like that Allen can take before he has to give it up. I just don't see them turning him into a QB who slides.
WildCard Posted October 2, 2019 Author Report Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) Edited October 2, 2019 by WildCard
Kruppstahl Posted October 2, 2019 Report Posted October 2, 2019 I hope Josh can go. First, if he plays and is OK, we have a good chance to win this game. Second, it means Josh wasn't seriously hurt, and I don't wish any player to ever be seriously hurt. Third, I don't want Josh to miss any games this season. The sooner he gets a substantial body of work under his belt, the better. I don't want to be in Ryan Tannehill purgatory with this guy forever. Show us you can do it, or show us you can't so we can find someone who can. 1
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