Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, SwampD said: You didn’t tell me a single thing in your post that I didn’t already know. But that’s fine. It doesn’t change the fact that we have heard the term “edge” more this year than ever before. It’s probably most likely due to the nature of the player we acquired, but you can’t discount the effect of the media latching onto something. oliver isn’t an “edge” player nor was he designated as such. he’s a defensive tackle through and through. after mike trout mlb draft analysts started using “five-tool” a ton more. it’s not the media trying to sound smart, it’s the media learning something and adapting. something it’s not good at as a whole.
inkman Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoss said: no. this really isn’t complicated. “edge” players are the only players whose position will change depending on the scheme they’re drafted into. OLB in 3-4, DE in a 4-3. there are offensive lineman who might play a different position depending on how certain teams view them but they’re listed as whatever their most likely position is in the league because it’s not as simple as “this or that” in those cases. Yeah. It's easier to say edge. Won me over. 1
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Hoss said: oliver isn’t an “edge” player nor was he designated as such. he’s a defensive tackle through and through. A 3-technique, to be precise. So, yeah. Looks like the media’s adopting the sport’s lexicon more and more.
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) Don’t forget the WILL, SAM and MIKE LBs that are the rage in college football. Should be in the pros soon enough. (Will = weakside middle LB, Mike = strong side middle LB, SAM = Strong side outside LB.) Oh by the way, the EDGE rusher in college is called the JACK. Edited April 30, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN
North Buffalo Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 13 hours ago, shrader said: But if the terminology evolves, why does the fullback name still exist? And why do they still have two o-line positions named after something those guys never do, while the other three positions are named very accurately? Fullback now sometimes called H-Back or blocking back depending on use... marketing specificity
North Buffalo Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Hoss said: oliver isn’t an “edge” player nor was he designated as such. he’s a defensive tackle through and through. after mike trout mlb draft analysts started using “five-tool” a ton more. it’s not the media trying to sound smart, it’s the media learning something and adapting. something it’s not good at as a whole. Its marketing, sounds cool, new terms add specificity of player usage, like slot receiver, wing back... but media using it is all about marketing their media brand to as others have said sound smart
North Buffalo Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 Man this is going to be a long off season. 1
WildCard Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Posted April 30, 2019 You guys really don't like change do ya
Eleven Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 18 hours ago, shrader said: When did they start listing a player's position as edge? I feel like I haven't seen that listed as the official position on draft trackers before this year. It's always in all caps, too: EDGE. Annoying. It's either a LB or a DE. 2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Don’t forget the WILL, SAM and MIKE LBs that are the rage in college football. Should be in the pros soon enough. (Will = weakside middle LB, Mike = strong side middle LB, SAM = Strong side outside LB.) Oh by the way, the EDGE rusher in college is called the JACK. Will, Sam, Mike, and Jack have been around for at least forty years.
LTS Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, Eleven said: It's always in all caps, too: EDGE. Annoying. It's either a LB or a DE. Your backup career choice was librarian, wasn't it? ?
Eleven Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, LTS said: Your backup career choice was librarian, wasn't it? ? You'll find out soon enough, smart guy.
shrader Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 I love my ability to derail a thread with a simple question. 1
Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, shrader said: I love my ability to derail a thread with a simple question. you’re so edgy... i mean, you’re so EDGEy 2
shrader Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Hoss said: you’re so edgy... i mean, you’re so EDGEy It's not like I was trying to. The whole thing just sticks out like sore thumb for me. You've got all these two or less letter position abbreviations and then all of a sudden, they mix in that full word. It would be like the post office having all of their state codes and then randomly throwing either Ohio or Iowa instead.
Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, shrader said: It's not like I was trying to. The whole thing just sticks out like sore thumb for me. You've got all these two or less letter position abbreviations and then all of a sudden, they mix in that full word. It would be like the post office having all of their state codes and then randomly throwing either Ohio or Iowa instead. i was kidding, you’re more of a nickel corner. an “edge” isn’t a position, it’s a classification. those players do not have a position. go look at college football recruiting classes. players with no position are listed as “ATH” which generally means they’ll play a skill position as decided by the school they choose.
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) Granted I’m an optimist, but I think Beane and company have done a good job this off-season. Still no game breakers for Allen, but improved overall. 1) OL should be better. Adding Morse and Ford are huge upgrades to go with Dawkins. Now if 2 of he other 11 in camp can play, this should be much improved this season. Maybe Nsekhe and Feliciano will be the 2. 2) RB - I’ve been begging for upgrades for two years. Singletary needs to prove the analytics community wrong. Still deeper with Yeldon and Gore then last season of Ivory and Murphy. 3) WR/TE - like running back, more bodies, not sure if we have upgraded WR, but TE looks better. Like Knox, but he is a bit of a project. Development of Foster and Jones will likely mean more this season then adding Beasley and Brown, but if Brown can stretch defenses so much the better. If Kroft comes back healthy, he’ll help the passing game while Knox develops. 4) Ed Oliver. Can he become Bruce Smith. John Randle or Aaron Donald. Let’s hope so. Regardless he is a huge upgrade with Williams retiring. We should be able to build something with Hughes, Oliver, Lawson, Murphy, Phillips and Lotulelei. 5) DB/S - Johnson gives us one great and two solid/decent CBs with White, Wallace and Johnson. Safety is set 6) LB - Alexander re-signed. Edmunds improvement here key to groups improvement for next season. Milano is the anchor. ST) - Hopefully a full year of McKenzie will help. Also the addition of talented kids like the 2 Josephs and a deeper team will also help. Maybe one of the Corey’s can stay healthy and punt well. Overall this is a deeper more talented team on paper without any game breakers on offense. 35 minutes ago, Eleven said: It's always in all caps, too: EDGE. Annoying. It's either a LB or a DE. Will, Sam, Mike, and Jack have been around for at least forty years. But not really used in common parlance by the media in as they are now. Edited April 30, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN
Eleven Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: But not really used in common parlance by the media in as they are now. Oh, most definitely they were. I knew those terms as a seven-year-old. On your comments re: Beane: He's got me in his corner now, although I'm still disturbed by that trade with Miami last draft.
TrueBlueGED Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 ...are people actually annoyed that a more accurate position label is being used now? Holy smokes. 3
Eleven Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: ...are people actually annoyed that a more accurate position label is being used now? Holy smokes. Yes, because I have to constantly explain to my elderly father what it means. Then he asks me why they don't just call the guy an end or a linebacker. Edited April 30, 2019 by Eleven 1
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 2 hours ago, North Buffalo said: Its marketing, sounds cool, new terms add specificity of player usage, like slot receiver, wing back... but media using it is all about marketing their media brand to as others have said sound smart Or they're just using the terminology that is used in the industry they're covering. Like, imagine if financial reporters in 2008 had refused to use the term "collateralized debt obligations"? Or if reporters covering the legal system preferred to talk about a "bad court thingy" instead of a "mistrial."
tom webster Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Hoss said: oliver isn’t an “edge” player nor was he designated as such. he’s a defensive tackle through and through. after mike trout mlb draft analysts started using “five-tool” a ton more. it’s not the media trying to sound smart, it’s the media learning something and adapting. something it’s not good at as a whole. I have no idea about what you guys are arguing about but “five tool” was around long before Mike Trout. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Bobby Bonds and Dave Parker were all considered five tool guys. I’m sure there were a lot more. 45 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Or they're just using the terminology that is used in the industry they're covering. Like, imagine if financial reporters in 2008 had refused to use the term "collateralized debt obligations"? Or if reporters covering the legal system preferred to talk about a "bad court thingy" instead of a "mistrial." I would prefer the “bad court thingy.” 1
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, tom webster said: I would prefer the “bad court thingy.” Fair enough, Lionel.
Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 34 minutes ago, tom webster said: I have no idea about what you guys are arguing about but “five tool” was around long before Mike Trout. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Bobby Bonds and Dave Parker were all considered five tool guys. I’m sure there were a lot more. it was, but the use of it has definitely increased significantly since trout broke out. and the conversation for those complaining centered around the media’s increased use of “edge.”
shrader Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, Hoss said: it was, but the use of it has definitely increased significantly since trout broke out. and the conversation for those complaining centered around the media’s increased use of “edge.” The only complaint I see is about the, let's face it, pretty stupid capitalization of it on those draft trackers. It's a new position designation, fine. There's no need to yell at us.
Eleven Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, shrader said: The only complaint I see is about the, let's face it, pretty stupid capitalization of it on those draft trackers. It's a new position designation, fine. There's no need to yell at us. EDGE
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