JujuFish Posted April 28, 2019 Report Posted April 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, Marchand'sNose said: And yes, it's actually fairly common for 3rd round picks to start their rookie seasons inactive on rosters that are healthy and full of depth like the 2019 Bills. Look it up. I'm bored on a Sunday evening, so here's the last 5 years of 3rd round RBs: 2018 Royce Freeman - 15 carries for 71 yards in the Broncos' season opener 2017 Alvin Kamara - 7 rushes for 18 yards, 4 receptions for 20 yards in the Saints' season opener Kareem Hunt - 17 rushes for 148 yards and a TD, 5 receptions for 98 yards and 2 TDs in the Chiefs' season opener D'Onta Foreman - 1 rush for 4 yards in the Texans' season opener James Conner - 4 rushes for 11 yards in the Steelers' season opener 2016 Kenyan Drake - 0 carries, on the field for 1 snap in the Dolphins' season opener CJ Prosise - 1 rush for -2 yards, 1 reception for 13 yards in the Seahawks' season opener (coincidentally against the Dolphins) 2015 Tevin Coleman - 20 rushes for 80 yards in the Falcons' season opener Duke Johnson - 7 rushes for 22 yards in the Browns' season opener David Johnson - 0 rushes, 1 catch for 55 yards and a TD in the Cardinals' season opener Matt Jones - 6 rushes for 28 yards in the Redskins' season opener 2014 Charles Sims - Did not play until game 9 due to ankle injury. Tre Mason - Did not play until game 5 Terrance West - 16 rushes for 100 yards in the Browns' season opener Jerick McKinnon - 1 rush for 1 yard in the Vikings' season opener Dri Archer - 1 rush for 4 yards in the Steelers' season opener It would seem that it's not fairly common for 3rd round picks to start their rookie seasons inactive. Of the above 17 examples, only 2 were inactive, and one of those due to injury. That leaves 1 out of 17 third round running backs from the last 5 years that did not play in his team's season opener barring injury.
PalmTreeMafia Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, JujuFish said: I'm bored on a Sunday evening, so here's the last 5 years of 3rd round RBs: 2018 Royce Freeman - 15 carries for 71 yards in the Broncos' season opener 2017 Alvin Kamara - 7 rushes for 18 yards, 4 receptions for 20 yards in the Saints' season opener Kareem Hunt - 17 rushes for 148 yards and a TD, 5 receptions for 98 yards and 2 TDs in the Chiefs' season opener D'Onta Foreman - 1 rush for 4 yards in the Texans' season opener James Conner - 4 rushes for 11 yards in the Steelers' season opener 2016 Kenyan Drake - 0 carries, on the field for 1 snap in the Dolphins' season opener CJ Prosise - 1 rush for -2 yards, 1 reception for 13 yards in the Seahawks' season opener (coincidentally against the Dolphins) 2015 Tevin Coleman - 20 rushes for 80 yards in the Falcons' season opener Duke Johnson - 7 rushes for 22 yards in the Browns' season opener David Johnson - 0 rushes, 1 catch for 55 yards and a TD in the Cardinals' season opener Matt Jones - 6 rushes for 28 yards in the Redskins' season opener 2014 Charles Sims - Did not play until game 9 due to ankle injury. Tre Mason - Did not play until game 5 Terrance West - 16 rushes for 100 yards in the Browns' season opener Jerick McKinnon - 1 rush for 1 yard in the Vikings' season opener Dri Archer - 1 rush for 4 yards in the Steelers' season opener It would seem that it's not fairly common for 3rd round picks to start their rookie seasons inactive. Of the above 17 examples, only 2 were inactive, and one of those due to injury. That leaves 1 out of 17 third round running backs from the last 5 years that did not play in his team's season opener barring injury. Touche! Sort of.... I was referring to third round picks in general. But for third round RB's, yes apparently they are normally expected to contribute right away. Nevertheless, I stand by my claim that McCoy will not be traded. I appreciate the research though!
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marchand'sNose said: Touche! Sort of.... I was referring to third round picks in general. But for third round RB's, yes apparently they are normally expected to contribute right away. Nevertheless, I stand by my claim that McCoy will not be traded. I appreciate the research though! https://theathletic.com/950943/2019/04/28/10-thoughts-on-cody-ford-and-the-rest-of-the-bills-day-2-and-day-3-picks-in-the-draft/ From the Athletic Quote What happens with LeSean McCoy and this backfield? Before anyone could ask a question about LeSean McCoy in Beane and McDermott’s news conference after the Singletary pick, Beane made a point to step in and make an emphatic statement about the team’s current lead back. “LeSean McCoy is still here,” Beane said. “Before you ask that question, he’s still the starter. We roll the ball out, there’s no questions about that. Devin (Singletary), just like we said about Cody (Ford) and Ed (Oliver), he’ll come in here and compete. Wherever he slots when we get ready to play games is where it’ll end up being.” Beane and McDermott both insist upon every player needing to compete to earn a starting spot. They say it after every draft pick and constantly stress it during training camp with veterans and rookies alike. So why does the front office feel the need to publicly declare McCoy a starter in April? It felt as if Beane were speaking directly to McCoy, who didn’t take kindly to conceding reps to younger players toward the end of last season. He was also benched for showing up late for a team bus to a game and didn’t always live up to being a captain. Now, after the worst season of his career, McCoy has more competition in the backfield as he gets set to turn 31. Singletary joins free-agent additions Frank Gore and T.J. Yeldon. At the very least, it appears McCoy’s days of being a featured back in this offense are over. We’ll see how he handles that. He will be traded. Edited April 29, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN
shrader Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 When did they start listing a player's position as edge? I feel like I haven't seen that listed as the official position on draft trackers before this year.
Hoss Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, shrader said: When did they start listing a player's position as edge? I feel like I haven't seen that listed as the official position on draft trackers before this year. i’ve seen it over the last few years. all it means is they’re an OLB in a 3-4 or DE in a 4-3.
That Aud Smell Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, shrader said: When did they start listing a player's position as edge? I feel like I haven't seen that listed as the official position on draft trackers before this year. i know it. totally a thing now. i also learned during this draft season that 3-4/4-3 is not really a relevant "player fit" distinction anymore -- not that you'd learn as much from listening to 3/4 of the pundits on TV.
inkman Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, shrader said: When did they start listing a player's position as edge? I feel like I haven't seen that listed as the official position on draft trackers before this year. It feels like BS corporate jargon especially since I see it capitalized for no good reason half the time. The older I get the less I like things.
SDS Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, inkman said: It feels like BS corporate jargon especially since I see it capitalized for no good reason half the time. The older I get the less I like things. Or they got tired of DE/OLB designations and realized the game has change and so should the language. 3
inkman Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, SDS said: Or they got tired of DE/OLB designations and realized the game has change and so should the language. It's like you seek me out to refute what I say
North Buffalo Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, SDS said: Or they got tired of DE/OLB designations and realized the game has change and so should the language. Its football and the more the nomenclature changes, the more that cycle of tactic changes repeat themselves.. interesting choice of new names, my guess its more about marketing and not getting stale
That Aud Smell Posted April 29, 2019 Report Posted April 29, 2019 I definitely see “Edge” as descriptive and accurate. It’s undoubtedly how scouts and coordinators refer to the position. Seems like it’s mostly that species of dudes who are 6’3” 250# and llllloooonnnggg and flexible at the waist.
SDS Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, North Buffalo said: Its football and the more the nomenclature changes, the more that cycle of tactic changes repeat themselves.. interesting choice of new names, my guess its more about marketing and not getting stale Lol. Marketing? Marketing to who? What are they marketing? Do I need my credit card? What’s the ROI?
Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 my assumption is “edge” comes from within scouting circles and came to the media through speaking with said scouts, seeing the way they rank players and also scouts who became members of the media. 1
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Hoss said: my assumption is “edge” comes from within scouting circles and came to the media through speaking with said scouts, seeing the way they rank players and also scouts who became members of the media. Fo sho. And to Ink’s point, there’s definitely some “kewl inside baseball jargon” going on here too.
shrader Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 But if the terminology evolves, why does the fullback name still exist? And why do they still have two o-line positions named after something those guys never do, while the other three positions are named very accurately?
Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, shrader said: But if the terminology evolves, why does the fullback name still exist? And why do they still have two o-line positions named after something those guys never do, while the other three positions are named very accurately? because those positions haven’t evolved. the role of what is now called an edge rusher has evolved.
SDS Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, shrader said: But if the terminology evolves, why does the fullback name still exist? And why do they still have two o-line positions named after something those guys never do, while the other three positions are named very accurately? Sounds like a Gallagher skit.
SwampD Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 5 hours ago, shrader said: When did they start listing a player's position as edge? I feel like I haven't seen that listed as the official position on draft trackers before this year. Thank you for pointing this out. Definitely have heard this more this year than any other, if at all. I think football people say it to sound smart. 1
Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SwampD said: Thank you for pointing this out. Definitely have heard this more this year than any other, if at all. I think football people say it to sound smart. no. this really isn’t complicated. “edge” players are the only players whose position will change depending on the scheme they’re drafted into. OLB in 3-4, DE in a 4-3. there are offensive lineman who might play a different position depending on how certain teams view them but they’re listed as whatever their most likely position is in the league because it’s not as simple as “this or that” in those cases. Edited April 30, 2019 by Hoss
SwampD Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hoss said: no. this really isn’t complicated. “edge” players are the only players whose position will change depending on the scheme they’re drafted into. OLB in 3-4, DE in a 4-3. there are offensive lineman who might play a different position depending on how certain teams view them but they’re listed as whatever their most likely position is in the league because it’s not as simple as “this or that” in those cases. I love when young people tell me how stuff works. 1
SwampD Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 Let me add that I think it’s a term media folk use to let us know that they know what they are talking about. We’ve definitely heard it more this year than any other before it. 2
shrader Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, SDS said: Sounds like a Gallagher skit. Give me time. I’ll get to the watermelon.
SwampD Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, shrader said: Give me time. I’ll get to the watermelon. Racist.
Hoss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, SwampD said: I love when young people tell me how stuff works. i love when old people stopped learning several decades ago.
SwampD Posted April 30, 2019 Report Posted April 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hoss said: i love when old people stopped learning several decades ago. You didn’t tell me a single thing in your post that I didn’t already know. But that’s fine. It doesn’t change the fact that we have heard the term “edge” more this year than ever before. It’s probably most likely due to the nature of the player we acquired, but you can’t discount the effect of the media latching onto something.
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