TrueBlueGED Posted January 21, 2020 Report Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Don’t we actually need another RB. Yeldon and Gore are likely gone. Therefore who is left after Singletary? We found Singletary in the 3rd. Why not try to find another back there? Because a 3rd round pick is valuable. Too valuable to use on a backup RB. 1
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 21, 2020 Report Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, TrueBlueGED said: Because a 3rd round pick is valuable. Too valuable to use on a backup RB. The backup RB usually gets pretty significant PT and if the starter gets hurt, he becomes are starter. For a team with Super Bowl aspirations to not a have a good 2nd string RB is un-pardonable. If we don't get one in the draft, we are going to have to sign a FA. I'd rather invest in the RB in the 3rd rd.
inkman Posted January 21, 2020 Report Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Don’t we actually need another RB. Yeldon and Gore are likely gone. Therefore who is left after Singletary? We found Singletary in the 3rd. Why not try to find another back there? 20 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: The backup RB usually gets pretty significant PT and if the starter gets hurt, he becomes are starter. For a team with Super Bowl aspirations to not a have a good 2nd string RB is un-pardonable. If we don't get one in the draft, we are going to have to sign a FA. I'd rather invest in the RB in the 3rd rd. I thought Yeldon showed pretty well when he got touches. They flat out abandoned him for a "process" guy like Gore who was clearly tailing off at an alarming rate at the end of the season.
WildCard Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, inkman said: I thought Yeldon showed pretty well when he got touches. They flat out abandoned him for a "process" guy like Gore who was clearly tailing off at an alarming rate at the end of the season. Couldn't hold onto the ball. 1
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 21, 2020 Report Posted January 21, 2020 My guess is most of Yeldon’s PT came as the change of pace back when Singletary was hurt.
LGR4GM Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 Let's use a 3rd round pick on something we need. You can always find a rb.
inkman Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 14 hours ago, WildCard said: Couldn't hold onto the ball. Lots of great backs had to overcome fumbling issues in their careers. IIRC, Singletary put a few on the ground early this season.
North Buffalo Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, inkman said: Lots of great backs had to overcome fumbling issues in their careers. IIRC, Singletary put a few on the ground early this season. Yeldon isnt early in career and has a history of fumbling... If he can figure it out... then yes not a bad pass catcher and physical runner. 1
Lanny Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) I'm not sure what's average for an NFL RB, but Yeldon has 6 fumbles in 5 NFL seasons. 482 rushing attempts. Singletary had 4 fumbles in 1 NFL season. 151 rushing attempts. Edited January 22, 2020 by Lanny
Eleven Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Let's use a 3rd round pick on something we need. You can always find a rb. They probably even can sign McCoy if they want. Agreed--no need to take one early.
shrader Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Let's use a 3rd round pick on something we need. You can always find a rb. If that's what they see as the best player available at their pick in the 3rd, then so be it. RB will be a need and if they've already addressed the other more pressing needs in the first two rounds, go ahead, grab that 2nd RB. But who knows if they even wind up drafting in the 3rd. Picks are going to bounce around all over the place.
LGR4GM Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, shrader said: If that's what they see as the best player available at their pick in the 3rd, then so be it. RB will be a need and if they've already addressed the other more pressing needs in the first two rounds, go ahead, grab that 2nd RB. But who knows if they even wind up drafting in the 3rd. Picks are going to bounce around all over the place. Taking a backup RB in the 3rd is wasteful. Unless they can block. Personally I want a new guard and a new tackle before I worry about backup RB. Edited January 22, 2020 by LGR4GM 1
shrader Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 32 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Taking a backup RB in the 3rd is wasteful. Unless they can block. Personally I want a new guard and a new tackle before I worry about backup RB. That's the fun part about all of this need-based draft analysis at this time of the year. Free agency happens first, so that need list will be completely different by the time draft day rolls around. And with all the money they have available this year, that list is going to look completely different by April. This one is going to be interesting.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 20 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: The backup RB usually gets pretty significant PT and if the starter gets hurt, he becomes are starter. For a team with Super Bowl aspirations to not a have a good 2nd string RB is un-pardonable. If we don't get one in the draft, we are going to have to sign a FA. I'd rather invest in the RB in the 3rd rd. The 49ers backup who became starter was cut by 6 other teams ended up being MVP of the conference title game (since you can't give MVP to the entire line). Continue to improve the line, scheme a little better, and plug and play literally anyone else. Line play and scheme are so much more important than the individual back. 2
LGR4GM Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: The 49ers backup who became starter was cut by 6 other teams ended up being MVP of the conference title game (since you can't give MVP to the entire line). Continue to improve the line, scheme a little better, and plug and play literally anyone else. Line play and scheme are so much more important than the individual back. Yupppp
shrader Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, TrueBlueGED said: The 49ers backup who became starter was cut by 6 other teams ended up being MVP of the conference title game (since you can't give MVP to the entire line). Continue to improve the line, scheme a little better, and plug and play literally anyone else. Line play and scheme are so much more important than the individual back. But that doesn't mean that they can't do both.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, shrader said: But that doesn't mean that they can't do both. They can, but they shouldn't. The value isn't there relative to the other needs on the team. You can get starters in the 3rd round at a reasonable clip. To deliberately get a backup at a low (relative) value position is madness. 1
LGR4GM Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: They can, but they shouldn't. The value isn't there relative to the other needs on the team. You can get starters in the 3rd round at a reasonable clip. To deliberately get a backup at a low (relative) value position is madness. Bingo. Drafts are about value.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Bingo. Drafts are about value. Right, it's the opportunity cost that's getting lost here. I'm not against upgrading at RB behind Singletary, but you need to aim higher with a 3rd round pick.
shrader Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Right, it's the opportunity cost that's getting lost here. I'm not against upgrading at RB behind Singletary, but you need to aim higher with a 3rd round pick. They took both Singletary and Knox in the 3rd round last year and I have a hart time believing either was intended to be an immediate starter. If they believe the best guy available when they walk up to the podium (do they do that in the 3rd round?), then so be it. They've earned that level of trust at this point. Me personally, I think how they decide to spend their large amount of cap space this offseason will have a bigger impact on the upcoming season than what they do in the draft.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 22, 2020 Report Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, shrader said: They took both Singletary and Knox in the 3rd round last year and I have a hart time believing either was intended to be an immediate starter. If they believe the best guy available when they walk up to the podium (do they do that in the 3rd round?), then so be it. They've earned that level of trust at this point. Me personally, I think how they decide to spend their large amount of cap space this offseason will have a bigger impact on the upcoming season than what they do in the draft. I'm almost certain they intended Singletary to start. Or, at the least, had a very real chance to do so. As to Knox, I don't think they expected him to start, but they had to think it possible given Kroft's injury history (to say nothing of the fact he wasn't exactly a proven starter). My point isn't that it's probable to get a starter in the 3rd, but it's likely enough that you should aim for it over a player you know is just a backup. RB is the most replaceable position in football, and has among the lowest relative value. Drafting a RT in the 3rd has a better chance of upgrading your backup RB position than taking an actual RB. Edited January 22, 2020 by TrueBlueGED
LGR4GM Posted January 24, 2020 Report Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 4:22 PM, shrader said: They took both Singletary and Knox in the 3rd round last year and I have a hart time believing either was intended to be an immediate starter. If they believe the best guy available when they walk up to the podium (do they do that in the 3rd round?), then so be it. They've earned that level of trust at this point. Me personally, I think how they decide to spend their large amount of cap space this offseason will have a bigger impact on the upcoming season than what they do in the draft. I don't trust anyone that takes a backup RB in the 3rd round. BPA or not.
Taro T Posted January 24, 2020 Report Posted January 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, inkman said: Wasn't sure whether to go with the ? or the ? emoji. 1
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