Doohicksie Posted December 17, 2018 Report Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, sabills said: https://www.diebytheblade.com/2018/12/16/18143128/buffalo-sabres-starting-to-get-some-clarity-on-patrik-berglund-suspension Interesting recap from DBTB on Berglunds stuff. Sounds like termination is an option. Gives a little background on the issues, too. Most interesting bits are near the bottom: Quote For now, all sides are working towards a solution how to move forward. As mentioned in the initial article above the option of terminating the contract is on the table. As well as the option for Berglund to return to the Sabres and continue playing. Also, from what I’ve been able to gather any rumors on partying being an issue with Berglund appear to be untrue.
shrader Posted December 17, 2018 Report Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Marions Piazza said: My father's brother's cousin's nephew's former room-mate told me the same thing So what does that make you? 1
Doohicksie Posted December 17, 2018 Report Posted December 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, shrader said: So what does that make you? Inbred. 1 2
Marions Piazza Posted December 17, 2018 Report Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, shrader said: So what does that make you? absolutely nothing! 1 1
Mustache of God Posted December 17, 2018 Report Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) I'm surrounded by *****! Edited December 17, 2018 by Mustache of God
Tondas Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, CallawaySabres said: VOID VOID VOID Agree. Would be the best option. We can get others to fill his role at less money.
Pimlach Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 Voiding the contract seems like the best option by far. I cant see the team wanting him back after all this drama, how could he face the players? Very odd in that he showed up without incident and seemed to mentor the young Swedes a bit, then flaked out. What kind of player wants to leave this team on the rise? To those that think HCPH is soft, he apparently is not afraid to bench veterans that aren’t meeting expectations.
PerreaultForever Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 I'm going to choose to look at this issue positively. Contrary to the idea that is a continuing of the old "culture" I suggest it is more a punctuation point towards the new. No more individuals, no more egos, no more pampering, it's about winning and it's about being a team. Play well and you will play. Play poorly, don't buy in, and you will not play. You don't buy in to that, there's the door. Not sure how it plays out, but I doubt we see him skate for the Sabres again. 3
stuuuuuuuuu Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 when Berglund was brought in I thought of him as C2. If he could check the attitude and center a productive line with Some combo of KO Pommer Tage or mitts....it wouldn’t hurt my feelings to welcome him back 1
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Stu said: when Berglund was brought in I thought of him as C2. If he could check the attitude and center a productive line with Some combo of KO Pommer Tage or mitts....it wouldn’t hurt my feelings to welcome him back That had been my hope at the start of the season. I’ve always liked him. I had wanted us to draft him years ago when DR chose instead to draft his teammate the great Dennis Persson instead. However he looks to slow to play in our system. It’s very disappointing considering his contract. I’m surprised this has happened with someone who has the reputation of being a pros pro. Its kind of like Pommers quiting on the team. I do agree that if he returns and plays hard he the room might forgive him. The guys have had to know that something has been wrong for a while before the bottom dropped out.
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Pimlach said: Voiding the contract seems like the best option by far. I cant see the team wanting him back after all this drama, how could he face the players? Very odd in that he showed up without incident and seemed to mentor the young Swedes a bit, then flaked out. What kind of player wants to leave this team on the rise? To those that think HCPH is soft, he apparently is not afraid to bench veterans that aren’t meeting expectations. Wait....what does it say to the players when a guy with past proven talent and most people here WANT on the team(on the 4th line where he HAS been better than expected) and feels he can be an even greater asset to this team in a higher role, to be treated in this regard? Was he really given the opportunity for a good sample size to prove himself over let's say Casey for example? Berglund has shown that defensively he wouldn't be a liability by playing on the 4th line but where did he get the chance to prove himself as an offensive threat, playing with Sobotka and(?) ? In some ways I feel for the guy because I wanted to see him succeed WITH this team and feel if he was given the chance with some good wingers that he could do just that. We are all wanting some increased secondary scoring and a way to shelter Mitts to develop and Berglund could've been the answer at least temporarily. Our Middle 6 aren't providing what we need or want especially with Bergs playing on the 4th line. With that said.....however the team seems fit to deal with this situation is fine with me. I just wanted to point out that he seems to want to play a bigger role in this teams success, and that can't be all bad. If he's just being a whiney brat then over this NMC crap and list, then good-bye. 1 1
shrader Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Pimlach said: Voiding the contract seems like the best option by far. I cant see the team wanting him back after all this drama, how could he face the players? Very odd in that he showed up without incident and seemed to mentor the young Swedes a bit, then flaked out. What kind of player wants to leave this team on the rise? To those that think HCPH is soft, he apparently is not afraid to bench veterans that aren’t meeting expectations. Has there been anything out there suggesting that he was helping with the young swedes? He's not a guy I've paid much attention to and I don't read anywhere near as many of the stories as others around here do, so I have no idea how much truth there might be to that. The whole thing right now is at a place where so much gets thrown out there now that the last 6 months or so of his life become a blurred mess.
nfreeman Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 36 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Wait....what does it say to the players when a guy with past proven talent and most people here WANT on the team(on the 4th line where he HAS been better than expected) and feels he can be an even greater asset to this team in a higher role, to be treated in this regard? Was he really given the opportunity for a good sample size to prove himself over let's say Casey for example? Berglund has shown that defensively he wouldn't be a liability by playing on the 4th line but where did he get the chance to prove himself as an offensive threat, playing with Sobotka and(?) ? In some ways I feel for the guy because I wanted to see him succeed WITH this team and feel if he was given the chance with some good wingers that he could do just that. We are all wanting some increased secondary scoring and a way to shelter Mitts to develop and Berglund could've been the answer at least temporarily. Our Middle 6 aren't providing what we need or want especially with Bergs playing on the 4th line. With that said.....however the team seems fit to deal with this situation is fine with me. I just wanted to point out that he seems to want to play a bigger role in this teams success, and that can't be all bad. If he's just being a whiney brat then over this NMC crap and list, then good-bye. While I too had hopes for him, it's hard for me to believe that the opportunity wasn't there for him to carve out more of a scoring role. The team is dying for secondary scoring. The lines have been shuffled multiple times. All he had to do was keep working hard and deliver when they called his number, and he would've gotten plenty of looks in scoring situations. For that matter, a week or 2 before he went AWOL, he suddenly appeared on the top PP for a few games (and didn't do much as I recall). Maybe they were trying to appease him after a tantrum?
Scottysabres Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 Really an odd situation to myself in any event. Larsson, Girgs and Bergy looked dangerous together. To bad he didn't see it that way if the reports are true.
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, nfreeman said: While I too had hopes for him, it's hard for me to believe that the opportunity wasn't there for him to carve out more of a scoring role. The team is dying for secondary scoring. The lines have been shuffled multiple times. All he had to do was keep working hard and deliver when they called his number, and he would've gotten plenty of looks in scoring situations. For that matter, a week or 2 before he went AWOL, he suddenly appeared on the top PP for a few games (and didn't do much as I recall). Maybe they were trying to appease him after a tantrum? Very limited opportunities and I agree with the work hard to get them.....but then why does everyone want him with Larry and Girgs? It's not for LACK of effort but because he is playing well with them. The line juggling laments to my position of not getting the proper chance with some good wingers on a consistant basis. We probably will never know the complete story about this and are relegated to guessing what would be best response to the situation. (sigh)
Gatorman0519 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 He’s now on the wrong side of 30 and a slower player. If he wants to continue getting nice checks most of us will kill for, he’d best carve out a niche as a 3 or 4 defensive center man.
Eleven Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, shrader said: Has there been anything out there suggesting that he was helping with the young swedes? He's not a guy I've paid much attention to and I don't read anywhere near as many of the stories as others around here do, so I have no idea how much truth there might be to that. The whole thing right now is at a place where so much gets thrown out there now that the last 6 months or so of his life become a blurred mess. I thought Eichel had said something to that effect back in the fall. 1
Marions Piazza Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Eleven said: I thought Eichel had said something to that effect back in the fall. Yes, Eichel coined the term "Swedish God-father" 1
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Marions Piazza said: Yes, Eichel coined the term "Swedish God-father" Somehow I am thinking that may not be a good thing. Are all the horses heads accounted for? 1
Marions Piazza Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: Somehow I am thinking that may not be a good thing. Are all the horses heads accounted for? Bravo, solid response to one of the greatest movies! I am curious to know what Eichle thinks of Berglund now.
LTS Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Very limited opportunities and I agree with the work hard to get them.....but then why does everyone want him with Larry and Girgs? It's not for LACK of effort but because he is playing well with them. The line juggling laments to my position of not getting the proper chance with some good wingers on a consistant basis. We probably will never know the complete story about this and are relegated to guessing what would be best response to the situation. (sigh) What is the proper chance? How does one earn it or do you expect him to just get paired with some wingers and see what happens? These arguments (made by you and others) boil down to the same basic question. Do you believe the coaching staff is able to evaluate the players on the team or not? Given all the time together, on the ice and off the ice, they make decisions on who will play best together and secondary spots as well. Keep in mind he was put on PP1 and did nothing. Given the improvement in this team I am more likely to put faith in the coaching staff (and the players who play). Berglund didn't earn his stripes and now he's walked away. Based on the given evidence perhaps he should have turned in his paperwork (or fire his agent for not doing so). Either way, he's gone the unprofessional route. I'd lend credence to a mental issue only if i heard other players saying "He's dealing with some stuff" and other similar things. Instead you clearly can tell it's more of a "we don't need your drama here". Eichel's comments and his use of the team motto "All in, all out, all the time." isn't done by accident. It points to Berglund not buying into the concept.
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 https://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordo-unhappy-berglund-wants-out-of-buffalo/article_01baa75f-5407-5439-862a-6a2948ae3df8.html interesting tidbit in this column. It’s has the best description of what happened when Berglund’s NMC converted to a limited NTC. Apparently Berglund had to deliver his list at the time the clause converted and didn’t. Therefore Armstrong was free to trade him to us. So it’s Berglund (and his agent’s) own fault he is in this situation. At this point I’m terminating this deal ASAP. I’m no longer waiting until the end of this month. If you don’t want to be here. See yeah! You’ve made yourself impossible to trade. We could send you down or loan you out, but why keep most of this cap hit for the next 3+ years. Terminate for conduct detrimental and failure to play and move on. Even a forced settlement with the NHLPA will likely be cheaper then the current cap hit and will get this cancer off our team.
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted December 18, 2018 Report Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, LTS said: What is the proper chance? How does one earn it or do you expect him to just get paired with some wingers and see what happens? These arguments (made by you and others) boil down to the same basic question. Do you believe the coaching staff is able to evaluate the players on the team or not? Given all the time together, on the ice and off the ice, they make decisions on who will play best together and secondary spots as well. Keep in mind he was put on PP1 and did nothing. Given the improvement in this team I am more likely to put faith in the coaching staff (and the players who play). Berglund didn't earn his stripes and now he's walked away. Based on the given evidence perhaps he should have turned in his paperwork (or fire his agent for not doing so). Either way, he's gone the unprofessional route. I'd lend credence to a mental issue only if i heard other players saying "He's dealing with some stuff" and other similar things. Instead you clearly can tell it's more of a "we don't need your drama here". Eichel's comments and his use of the team motto "All in, all out, all the time." isn't done by accident. It points to Berglund not buying into the concept. Honestly I don't really care what happens with Berglund....if it were Jack, yes. The 1st bolded....isn't there a thread dedicated to this with many questioning coaching decisions made along the way? "Houseley should have until end of December" is now on the 2nd page. Has everyone been satisfied with all coaching/management decisions over the years? Or don't you read your own posts either? The 2nd bolded....you could say the same about Mitts. Like I said... I really don't care about this whole thing because I feel it will work its way out and somehow for the better which ever way it goes. Berglund would not be my 1st choice for a 2C any way. The "Hockey Gods" will prevail over this.
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