What value in a contract for Skinner?

[PerreaultForever]

Skinner seems to be a good fit with Eichel so I would certainly offer him a solid deal that matches the numbers he is putting up and takes age into consideration for term. If he likes it here and wants to sign that great. 

I suspect however, that he will not sign any deal and will see what he is offered in free agency. At best I think they can ask him to let them match any offer he gets if it's reasonable. I would not break the bani for anyone, the plan should be slowly building with our own youth.

[mjd1001]

17 hours ago, Thorny said:

It's interesting that 50% of voters said no to 8.33m. Where's the line for a guy who's an integral part of our offensive output who's still at a relatively young age and helps bring out the best value in our franchise centre?

If you'd say yes at 7.5 but no at 8.33, $830 000 per year is enough to cut bait on such a valuable asset?

The Sabres need to pay for Skinner, and by that I mean a contract that risks an overpay. Skinner is good enough, valuable enough, and young/quick enough that even as a depreciating asset in the final years of his deal, the Sabres from now on are in a much better place with him than without. 

Even if it ends up costing someone like Reinhart. There's more than enough $ to make this happen. My only fear is that Skinner is adamant on testing the open market. 

I agree on this.

Also, I have defended Reinhart on these boards for most of the last 2-3 years.  I'm starting to turn on him.  From what we see of him, at best he is a 'streaky' scorer that you can rely on for 25 goals per year.  If I am going to pay a 'streaky' scorer, he better be putting up 30+ and have a lot more game than just basically a power play specialist.

[SHAAAUGHT!!!]

On 11/9/2018 at 4:16 PM, Thorny said:

It's interesting that 50% of voters said no to 8.33m. Where's the line for a guy who's an integral part of our offensive output who's still at a relatively young age and helps bring out the best value in our franchise centre?

If you'd say yes at 7.5 but no at 8.33, $830 000 per year is enough to cut bait on such a valuable asset?

The Sabres need to pay for Skinner, and by that I mean a contract that risks an overpay. Skinner is good enough, valuable enough, and young/quick enough that even as a depreciating asset in the final years of his deal, the Sabres from now on are in a much better place with him than without. 

Even if it ends up costing someone like Reinhart. There's more than enough $ to make this happen. My only fear is that Skinner is adamant on testing the open market. 

I didn't choose 6 years/50MM because I don't think he signs a 6 year contract.  8.3MM at 7 years would get it done, but I'm not sure Jbotts offers him that contract.

I also don't know if Skinner will really be adamant about testing the open market - if he gets fair value now.  The big question will be how many teams are this competitive and show this much promise, while still having enough cap space to fit him...

Edited November 12, 2018 by SHAAAUGHT!!!

[IKnowPhysics]

Note that Skinner's never scored more than 63 points in a season, but he's been averaging 28 goals per season over the last five.  I think he's due for a raise over his current $5.75M AAV, and he would attract significant attention on the open market.  I think anything less than $6.5M would be favorable to the Sabres.  $8M would account for his open-market value and very likely keep him here with an offer he'd be foolish to turn down.

 

Not many LWs make more than $8M.  Highest paid LWs:

Ovechkin $9.54M

Benn $9.5M

Parise $7.5M

Bobby Ryan $7.25M

Evander Kane $7M

JVR $7M

Gaudreau $6.75M

Kovalchuk $6.25M

Marchand $6.1M

 

 

$56M/7 years = $8M AAV.  That would keep him without a doubt.

$49M/7 years = $7M AAV.  That'd be fair to both parties.

$45M/7 years = $6.42M AAV.  That'd be great value for the Sabres, still keep Skinner in lofty company, but could be easily matched or overpaid on the open market.

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

7 x 7.5

[Andrew Amerk]

7 x 7. Not only reasonable, but a “Hometown discount” to let the team put money elsewhere for a multi-championship team. 

[erickompositör72]

1 hour ago, Andrew Amerk said:

7 x 7. Not only reasonable, but a “Hometown discount” to let the team put money elsewhere for a multi-championship team. 

 

I could see him being sold on this, if he trusts JBott. He loves playing with Eichel, and seems to love winning. If he knew he could keep doing both, maybe it's a deal

[sabills]

https://www.nhl.com/news/skinner-providing-finishing-touch-for-sabres/c-301879094?tid=277548856

[That Aud Smell]

White Tweeted to the effect that Skinner is currently shooting at about 21%

His previous career high is 14.4% (rookie year).

His career average appears to be about 10.6-10.7%.

Obviously, he's never played alongside a play maker as gifted as Eichel. But, even so. He's bound to cool off. Question being: When?

[inkman]

12 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

White Tweeted to the effect that Skinner is currently shooting at about 21%

His previous career high is 14.4% (rookie year).

His career average appears to be about 10.6-10.7%.

Obviously, he's never played alongside a play maker as gifted as Eichel. But, even so. He's bound to cool off. Question being: When?

Winter is coming 

[GASabresIUFAN]

55 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

White Tweeted to the effect that Skinner is currently shooting at about 21%

His previous career high is 14.4% (rookie year).

His career average appears to be about 10.6-10.7%.

Obviously, he's never played alongside a play maker as gifted as Eichel. But, even so. He's bound to cool off. Question being: When?

Didn’t he play with Staal that season?  

Anyway, he is bound to cool off some, maybe even down to 14% for the season.  That still puts him at 40 goals. 

If he finishes 40 - 40, Jbot will pay the man. 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

White Tweeted to the effect that Skinner is currently shooting at about 21%

His previous career high is 14.4% (rookie year).

His career average appears to be about 10.6-10.7%.

Obviously, he's never played alongside a play maker as gifted as Eichel. But, even so. He's bound to cool off. Question being: When?

Yes he should regress but when is harder to say. As we saw with Karlsson last year, sometimes players maintain that higher sh% over the course of a season. Skinner could due to circumstances but he should slide back towards that 14% at some point. Of course even when he does, he is still a 40goal scorer. 

Edited November 13, 2018 by LGR4GM

[GASabresIUFAN]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Yes he should regress but when is harder to say. As we saw with Karlsson last year, sometimes players maintain that higher sh% over the course of a season. Skinner could due to circumstances but he should slide back towards that 14% at some point. Of course even when he does, he is still a 40goal scorer. 

Jinx

[Doohicksie]

[Doohicksie]

[matter2003]

If JBots isn't interested in signing him he better have his head examined.

[Hoss]

I do think the rules prohibiting them from offering an eighth year until after the deadline will hold this thing up quite a bit.

[LGR4GM]

8million would put him at about 10% of the cap going forward. That isn't terrible. 

[Drunkard]

I'd give him 9 if it included no trade protections and we could front end load it as much as the CBA allows. This team has been missing a guy with a nose for the net like him for what feels like forever. If he wants trade protection the price has to go down from that though.

[nfreeman]

We’ll, he’s sure off to a good start in his contract year.  

[Tondas]

Give him something that the Leafs cannot match and be done with it.

[Brawndo]

Darren Dreger was on NBCSN yesterday and was talking about Jeff Skinner he mentioned there is mutual interest in getting a deal done. Dreger also mentioned he knows for a fact that Skinner wants to stay in Buffalo. 

[darksabre]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Darren Dreger was on NBCSN yesterday and was talking about Jeff Skinner he mentioned there is mutual interest in getting a deal done. Dreger also mentioned he knows for a fact that Skinner wants to stay in Buffalo. 

The tank worked. 

[LGR4GM]

On 11/23/2018 at 9:08 PM, Tondas said:

Give him something that the Leafs cannot match and be done with it.

So... 3million. Sweet. 

[Eleven]

On 11/9/2018 at 10:00 AM, nfreeman said:

He’s not going to take a 6-year deal.  7 is the minimum.  

I agree with this.  I think the salary number is right, though.