Shake ups in LA and Chicago??

[sweetlou]

Both teams are old and full of Stanley Cup champions.  Is there any players on either team that Jbotts would go after to improve depth scoring?

Possible players Sabres could offer...Reinhart, Okposo, Larsson, Girgensons, Beaulieu, Scandella, and Rodrigues.

Scandella, Larsson, and Okposo to LA for Carter, Lewis, and Muzin?

Reinhart and Beaulieu to Chicago for either Anisimov or Saad?

 

new line up-

Skinner- Eichel- Pommer

Saad/Anisimov- Carter- Sheary

Sobotka- Mitts- Thompson

Girgensons- Berglund- Lewis

 

McCabe- Risto

Muzin- Bogo

Dahlin- Nelson

 

Saad brings more speed and is younger but more expensive.

Anisimov is natural center and cheaper, could also be a bargaining chip to lure Panarin if we lose Skinner to free agency.

Carter great leader and center who can mentor Thompson.

 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just no.  

 

[Randall Flagg]

I wouldn't do the Chicago deal and LA would have little cap relief (okie's contract is big), no speed-gain, and would be downgrading every single position they're moving out.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Randall Flagg

[darksabre]

Under no circumstances am I doing anything that could help Chicago out in any way. They've had like a hundred outdoor games. I hope they suck for a hundred years. 

[WildCard]

  On 11/6/2018 at 8:31 PM, Randall Flagg said:

I wouldn't do the Chicago deal and LA would have little cap relief (okie's contract is big), no speed-gain, and would be downgrading every single position they're moving out.

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Not even Muzzin? We have 3 1st round picks, I'm sure there's some young talent, or cheaper talent, that's available there. You wouldn't swap Reinhart +  for Debrincat?

  On 11/6/2018 at 8:35 PM, darksabre said:

Under no circumstances am I doing anything that could help Chicago out in any way. They've had like a hundred outdoor games. I hope they suck for a hundred years. 

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I still love the Blackhawks

[sweetlou]

JBotts loves seasoned young players with Championship pedigree...(Sheary and Wilson)(Nolan)

I think Saad could be a boost to this line up, for whatever reason just not working out second time around in Chicago.

What do you think it would take to get him?

I would do Reinhart for Saad straight up!!

[Randall Flagg]

  On 11/6/2018 at 8:55 PM, WildCard said:

Not even Muzzin? We have 3 1st round picks, I'm sure there's some young talent, or cheaper talent, that's available there. You wouldn't swap Reinhart +  for Debrincat?

I still love the Blackhawks

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He said Reinhart and Beaulieu for Saad/Anisimov. No mention of DeBrincat. 

And I would make that Kings trade, but the Kings wouldn't. That's all I was saying. I'm in general for making moves to improve the team literally 100% of the time

[WildCard]

  On 11/6/2018 at 8:59 PM, Randall Flagg said:

He said Reinhart and Beaulieu for Saad/Anisimov. No mention of DeBrincat. 

And I would make that Kings trade, but the Kings wouldn't. That's all I was saying. I'm in general for making moves to improve the team literally 100% of the time

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Honestly didn't read the opening post so that's on me

Do wonder what it would take to pry DeBrincat lose however

Edited November 6, 2018 by WildCard

[sweetlou]

LA trade is change of scenery type of trade. Carter and Okie= even, Scandella and Muzin= even

Saad is not producing in Chicago, Reinhart struggling again at beginning of season

 

[Weave]

Is there a 2nd line center worth having on either team?  Even if for the rest of the season, or next.  I'll take one of those please.

[sweetlou]

As Sabres fan trying to expose vulnerable teams looking for change...you are not going to get any of the young players, but swap of vets could spark interest.

[Randall Flagg]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:00 PM, WildCard said:

Honestly didn't read the opening post so that's on me

Do wonder what it would take to pry DeBrincat lose however

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If you had a cost-controlled player on his ELC who scored 28 goals in his rookie year and is at a point per game pace in his sophomore year, how much would it take to pry that rookie from your team?

That's probably what it would take 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Randall Flagg

[sweetlou]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:03 PM, Weave said:

Is there a 2nd line center worth having on either team?  Even if for the rest of the season, or next.  I'll take one of those please.

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Carter or Anisimov fit the role

[WildCard]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:04 PM, Randall Flagg said:

If you had a cost-controlled player on his ELC who scored 28 goals in his rookie year and is at a point per game pace in his sophomore year, how much would it take to pry that rookie from your team?

That's probably what it would take 

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I'm aware of what he is. We're in a much different spot than them though. Everything they do going forward has to be centered around their belief in Toews, Kane, Seabrooke, and Keith. And thus far, the moves Bowman has made, moving Panarin to bring back Saad, moving Hjlamersson, bringing Sharp back to rekindle the magic, they seem to believe they can still win now with that core. 

[Brawndo]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:04 PM, sweetlou said:

Carter or Anisimov fit the role

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Carter is 33 and has 4 years left on his deal at 5.27 Million AAV 

Ansimov is 30 and has 3years left at 4.5 Million AAV. 

Pass on both, particularly Carter

[darksabre]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:15 PM, Brawndo said:

Carter is 33 and has 4 years left on his deal at 5.27 Million AAV 

Ansimov is 30 and has 3years left at 4.5 Million AAV. 

Pass on both, particularly Carter

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Yuppppp 

[Randall Flagg]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:14 PM, WildCard said:

 I'm aware of what he is. We're in a much different spot than them though. Everything they do going forward has to be centered around their belief in Toews, Kane, Seabrooke, and Keith. And thus far, the moves Bowman has made, moving Panarin to bring back Saad, moving Hjlamersson, bringing Sharp back to rekindle the magic, they seem to believe they can still win now with that core. 

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But that would only cement their need for the excellent production they're getting from such a cheap contract, since they have so little cap flexibility. 

[WildCard]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:18 PM, Randall Flagg said:

But that would only cement their need for the excellent production they're getting from such a cheap contract, since they have so little cap flexibility. 

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Yeah typing that out I realized they wouldn't move him. They would want Casey back I'm sure

[Weave]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:15 PM, Brawndo said:

Carter is 33 and has 4 years left on his deal at 5.27 Million AAV 

Ansimov is 30 and has 3years left at 4.5 Million AAV. 

Pass on both, particularly Carter

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Without taking any sort of look at stats, simple or advanced, a 30 yr old 2nd line center ar 4.5M for 3 more years doesn't sound onerous at all to me.

Carter is def riskier.

[WildCard]

Weren't Carter and Richards broken up because of their notorious partying? Given the massive culture shakeup attempt Botts has had I doubt Carter is anywhere on the radar 

[SABRES 0311]

  On 11/6/2018 at 7:31 PM, sweetlou said:

Both teams are old and full of Stanley Cup champions.  Is there any players on either team that Jbotts would go after to improve depth scoring?

Possible players Sabres could offer...Reinhart, Okposo, Larsson, Girgensons, Beaulieu, Scandella, and Rodrigues.

Scandella, Larsson, and Okposo to LA for Carter, Lewis, and Muzin?

Reinhart and Beaulieu to Chicago for either Anisimov or Saad?

 

new line up-

Skinner- Eichel- Pommer

Saad/Anisimov- Carter- Sheary

Sobotka- Mitts- Thompson

Girgensons- Berglund- Lewis

 

McCabe- Risto

Muzin- Bogo

Dahlin- Nelson

 

Saad brings more speed and is younger but more expensive.

Anisimov is natural center and cheaper, could also be a bargaining chip to lure Panarin if we lose Skinner to free agency.

Carter great leader and center who can mentor Thompson.

 

 

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I’m not trying to be a jerk but that lineup makes want to smash a window.

[pi2000]

Reinhart, Risto and a late 1st for Schmaltz, Boqvist and a 2021 1st

Risto and Nylander for Vilardi, Carter and a 2nd

Reinhart and Girgensons for Iafallo and Carter

Risto, Larsson and Okposo for Debrincat, Schmaltz and Seabrook

Guhle, Nylander and Asplund for Toffoli and Wagner

Smith, Pilut and a late 1st for Kempe

 

[sweetlou]

  On 11/6/2018 at 9:23 PM, WildCard said:

Weren't Carter and Richards broken up because of their notorious partying? Given the massive culture shakeup attempt Botts has had I doubt Carter is anywhere on the radar 

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Carter was much younger then.  I believe he has matured a lot since then and is a good leader.  Thinking like that means we shouldn't have drafted Jack since he was a partier in college.  People grow up and mature.  

I think Carter would be the perfect 2nd line center for the next couple of years and let Casey grow and mature as the third. Then in a couple of years you flip them and make Casey the second.

Again the deal would be shedding Okposo's contract for the next five years to take on Carter's for the next four. Change of scenery for both.

[Randall Flagg]

Yeah, looking at all these ideas, I'm just going to pass on trading with these two particular teams

[Broken Ankles]

I would entertain Seabrook.   Would be nice to have an experienced RD to play alongside Dahlin over the next few years.  His contract is onerous (6.7m AAV for 5 more years).  We add McCabe and they had to take Okposo’s anchor of a deal.  Seabrook would not need PP minutes and Risto playing reduced minutes on a second pairing might improve his game.