GDT: Sabres at San Jose 10/18/18 10:30 PM MSG, WGR

[SabresBillsFan]

44 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Yeh, this is BS....  when the Sabres have been good they have found good players.. the draft though is how you build a team any team and then bring in a few pieces the fill in the last part.  Also trades can work as well.  Sheary, Skinner and Hutton have been good adds.  Vegas as much as it is fun is not a place that I would want to live ever and I have been there a few times... the casinos are depressing... 

People that live here don’t go to the casinos that much. I only go for some shows and restaurants. I have been here since 89

[North Buffalo]

6 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said:

People that live here don’t go to the casinos that much. I only go for some shows and restaurants. I have been here since 89

Fair enough, still don't want to live in the desert... makes Buffalo snow interesting..  Fly in on my way to California... different tastes for different folks.   I don't live in Buffalo either now though but would rather live in Reno if I had to be in Nevada... just my taste...

[SabresBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Fair enough, still don't want to live in the desert... makes Buffalo snow interesting..  Fly in on my way to California... different tastes for different folks.   I don't live in Buffalo either now though but would rather live in Reno if I had to be in Nevada... just my taste...

I hear you. My niece and nephew live up in Reno and like it. I don’t gamble so these casinos don’t effect me.

[North Buffalo]

I don't either, my biggest issue is I want/need to be near water... PS. I love Montana...

[Sabre1974]

1 hour ago, JJFIVEOH said:

Oh, definitely not. I'm not going to take away from what he accomplished. He is near the top all-time in win percentage. But he did take over a team that was young and chock full of talent just waiting to explode. Maybe he had something to do with that, maybe not. But the fact remains, he is a teacher and not a head coach. The Sabres have been failures for several years and in that time, they have had soft, lifeless coaches. Rolston, Bylsma, Housley............ Look at the best teams in the league. They have head coaches who are hard-***** and not teachers. The Sabres haven't had a player's coach since Nolan. 

Fair enough assessment. Housley in the mould. Chris Taylor would let them play. 

[Kruppstahl]

3 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

wow, just wow.

I hate having to say this, but I want Phil and his coaching staff gone. I want Ruff back.

No you don't!  Phil should go but Lindy can't come back!  

3 hours ago, Thorny said:

I dislike everyone on the D not named Dahlin right now. 

Exaggerating. I guess. 

He got beat so bad one on one for a goal last game I felt bad for the kid. 

3 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

I think this is a topic  that's thread-worthy. 

"We're fine, we fixed our depth, the locker room" gets said basically every offseason, and yet other teams that we sneer at condescendingly are stunningly better at offense than us. Year after year after year. 

We need to start reevaluating the things that we look at and think are fine, especially in those sunny offseason days where everything is hunky dory. 

Risto at 25 minutes per night, for a novel example. Jack and Reino together. Anything, really. 

 

This team seems like an improvement over last year based on the games we've seen so far, but they still kind of suck.  

3 hours ago, Thorny said:

Reinhart has been pretty non existent tonight. 

He's a non-existent kind of guy a lot of the time.  That hot streak he got on last year (admittedly lasting a good 3 months) shot his stock value up but the fact of the matter is he was the highest forward taken in his draft class.  When you remember that, he's not nearly as good as we would have hoped for.  

3 hours ago, Thorny said:

Risto is a bloody dumbass. 

He cruises along the bluelne, down three goals, while Dahlin has his stick up waiting for a one-timer. Finally Risto tosses it over, and by then the D has adjusted to cover it. 

Guy is useless sometimes. 

The data would suggest Risto is a pretty bad player.  He is one of the very few players on this team who will throw his body around and seems to enjoy hitting people, so for me, he gets a pass. 

3 hours ago, calti said:

they look wimpy...always losing the fight for the puck. buffalo pro sports are a joke. at this rate we need to win the lottery for the next 5 yrs to make the playoffs.

hint: get some tough players

This is a wimpy team, a collection of wimpy players.  It is funny.  Back when we still had the old Rochester core and Ruff was still the coach, we sucked and had a very specific makeup with cowards like Derek Roy who would rather wave a stick at someone than play tough hockey.  We stripped the whole thing down to nothing and started over.  Years and years of, by far, the worst hockey in franchise history go by, and what do we have to show for it?

A soft soulless team.  We even have one of the old guard back on the team now.  

3 hours ago, hockeyhound said:

Well maybe after this shellacking the Sabres will get pissed and start throwing their weight around. 

Not going to happen b/c that is not in the makeup of this team or this group of payers, and you can't coach that into these guys.

3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I guess you're young and you like the new hockey but that was the only decent moment of the game for me. Bogo earns his A. Frustrated team, take it out on the opposition, that's old school and I love it. Emotion. It mattered to him. Not nearly enough of that on this team. 

Everybody still want to throw 6-8 million a year at Reinhart? 

Skinner clearly does not want to be here. I feel sorry for Hutton, he will be burned out by mid season.

We suck. 

Again. 

Who can I hit?

 

Yeah, I thought the frustration to end the game was f-ing fantastic and the only thing (seriously) that caught my attention in this entire game.  That sort of thing is sorely missing from the game now and I'm afraid it's never going to come back.  

3 hours ago, calti said:

lets hope middlestadt isnt another float arouind guy like reinhar

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He seems to be, so far. 

3 hours ago, SabresBillsFan said:

He’s too soft. Then need a tough coach to get the most out of these guys and let’s face it, it’s not Housley.

I think we do need a tough coach, but if you listen to Rob Ray, this new generation of players will simply not respond to a tough guy coach.  They will reject him and need to be coddled like babies.  That's probably mostly true.  I still think Phil will never be the right guy; he was a soft player and he's a soft coach.  

3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

That was a crap show.

They all are, save 7-10 per season.  I've been saying that for years now and I think it's mostly true.  

3 hours ago, calti said:

yep. they look young ,weak, and placid

Yes they do; that's not just an appearance, that's who they are. 

2 hours ago, JJFIVEOH said:

At this point, since my move, I am equidistant from Nashville and Raleigh. Do I turn in my Panthers and Sabres fan card to follow a new team?

Nashville costs an entire mortgage to see a game. Carolina, I can get an AirBNB for cheap and lower bowl tickets for pennies on the dollar. Hmmmm.........

This post sickens me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by Kruppstahl

[nucci]

3 hours ago, SabresBillsFan said:

I wasn’t able to watch the game but in all seriousness this is a tough road trip. Like I said last game I’m okay with losing as long as the effort is there. Not a fan of Phil Housley as coach. This team needs a coach that is tough and expects his players to work and work hard. Phil is not the right guy for this team. 

Aren't you tired of losing? I am

[nucci]

3 hours ago, JJFIVEOH said:

Housley is like Rolston who is like Goober Bylsma. They are teachers, they aren't head coaches. They all make perfect assistant coaches, but they make for horrible head coaches. This is a big boy league, if you can't produce, you should be demoted. The NHL level isn't a place for learning. An NHL head coach should be somebody like Spuddy Gallant. 

 

I'm so done with BFLO sports. Unfortunately, I'll watch them all weekend and then bitch about how much they suck, lol. 

This is where we are. I am so tired of losing

[Hoss]

My feelings about this season have been significantly softened by the fact that I work at 3 a.m. so I haven't watched a second of the last two games.

[That Aud Smell]

Perused the last few pages.

sabrespace after dark is a strange place.

[CallawaySabres]

Put it this way, the only thing that is different is goaltending. It's the only reason they have any points at all.

3 weeks from now, they will be 10 points out of 8th and the season will be over.

[Sabre1974]

30 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:

Put it this way, the only thing that is different is goaltending. It's the only reason they have any points at all.

3 weeks from now, they will be 10 points out of 8th and the season will be over.

wonder if we see any call ups within the next 3 weeks if this continues. 

4 hours ago, JJFIVEOH said:

Oh, definitely not. I'm not going to take away from what he accomplished. He is near the top all-time in win percentage. But he did take over a team that was young and chock full of talent just waiting to explode. Maybe he had something to do with that, maybe not. But the fact remains, he is a teacher and not a head coach. The Sabres have been failures for several years and in that time, they have had soft, lifeless coaches. Rolston, Bylsma, Housley............ Look at the best teams in the league. They have head coaches who are hard-***** and not teachers. The Sabres haven't had a player's coach since Nolan. 

Fair enough assessment. Housley in the mould. Chris Taylor would let them play. 

[TheAud]

I had planned on watching the first period before realizing I was tired so I went to bed instead. My best move of the day. 

Hard to believe we're back to opponents shorthanded goals coming more frequently than Sabres PP goals. This happened early last year too. 

[Jsixspd]

8 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Okposo is a liability to this club

Basically, that set the tone early for the entire game.  Just a DUMB penalty, especially with a team that struggles on the PK this season (26th in the league kill %).   Okposo has only 3 pts so far this season - and the MOST penalty minutes on the Sabres.

I turned it off at that point and decided to go to bed.   Fast forwarded thru the game before work this AM - didn't miss anything - more of the same 'suffering', the last 2 games reminiscent too much of the 2017-18 season. 
 

[inkman]

I watched most of this affair. From what I saw, the veterans we're creating a lot of the problems. They we're taking bad penalties and making bad plays in general. Risto looks bad at hockey. Sabotka can leave. Mittlestat and Thopmson need to be sent down ASAP. Skinner looked creative but also made a couple bonehead plays. Sheary seems bad at everything other than putting the biscuit in the basket. I thought they came out flying and the constant penalties squelched any momentum they we're gaining. I would send those two down and maybe move a vet to shake things up. Oh and I'd at least start to look for a new coach. 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, CallawaySabres said:

Put it this way, the only thing that is different is goaltending. It's the only reason they have any points at all.

3 weeks from now, they will be 10 points out of 8th and the season will be over.

Maybe at the end of the 3 weeks. Pilut and Olofsson are not ready. They are tearing up the AHL because they should be but they are working on other aspects of their game. Learning to do the little things. 

[eman]

7 hours ago, Gatorman0519 said:

It’s quite shocking.  Montreal does even have a true #1 center, and yet produce more than our supposed studs.  Mittelstadt is virtually invisible all year.  Eichel invisible for nearly 3 games.  Wingers can’t score either.  

What Montreal does have is a coach! Julien is a very good coach and I wanted him for this team but we passed. He knows how to develop young players and as long as Price stays healthy, Montreal will make the playoffs. Boucher in Ottawa is another good coach. They have had nothing but a tumultuous off season, but they look like a decent competitive hockey club so far when everyone was predicting a tire fire in Ottawa. Armia looks like a player in Montreal. Bottom line is, as long as Phil is our coach, expect more of the same. He must go.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, inkman said:

I watched most of this affair. From what I saw, the veterans we're creating a lot of the problems. They we're taking bad penalties and making bad plays in general. Risto looks bad at hockey. Sabotka can leave. Mittlestat and Thopmson need to be sent down ASAP. Skinner looked creative but also made a couple bonehead plays. Sheary seems bad at everything other than putting the biscuit in the basket. I thought they came out flying and the constant penalties squelched any momentum they we're gaining. I would send those two down and maybe move a vet to shake things up. Oh and I'd at least start to look for a new coach. 

I re-watched period one of the Colorado game and this was my conclusion from that game as well. Maybe not flying but they came out ok and then penalties killed them. 

[inkman]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I re-watched period one of the Colorado game and this was my conclusion from that game as well. Maybe not flying but they came out ok and then penalties killed them. 

They also look like they are thinking too much. The best parts of the game was Jack, Skinner and Pominville just creating. When they stayed with the "system" they look paralyzed by analysis. 

[LGR4GM]

Do we have another coach who's system is killing the team? 

[eman]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Do we have another coach who's system is killing the team? 

I agree with you on this. I believe this club has some decent talent and they do have speed (that part is noticeable this season) I think whatever the hell Phil's system is, it just doesn't work here. It seems completely unstructured. It seems to look exactly the same as last season even with what? 8 new players in the lineup? The shorties against, the bad PP, the horrific passing. We have some goaltending now but they will be burned out by mid season. The goaltending is the reason we already have 3 wins. It won't be enough.

[SwampD]

Where did all the 6-10 foot passes go, hell even 3 foot passes? I only got to see the end of the second and the third of this game and there was virtually zero puck support. Way too often, when a Sabre had the puck in the O or neutral zone, there wasn't another Sabre within 15 feet of them.

And that D,… oof. they were tough to watch last night.

I think Risto is a blockhead. I still like him, though,… I think.

[inkman]

5 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Where did all the 6-10 foot passes go, hell even 3 foot passes? I only got to see the end of the second and the third of this game and there was virtually zero puck support. Way too often, when a Sabre had the puck in the O or neutral zone, there wasn't another Sabre within 15 feet of them.

And that D,… oof. they were tough to watch last night.

I think Risto is a blockhead. I still like him, though,… I think.

So much this. I couldn't believe how few options any player had once the puck was on their stick. It's as if the players are so busy thinking about where they should be they actually never get there. They other players on the ice we're skating INTO the effing defense. I'm no hockey guru but I'm pretty sure you are supposed to try and get away from the other team. 

I think the talent is here. Either Housley is extraordinarily poor at teaching his system or we have a slew of knuckleheads in the blue and gold. I'm leaning toward the first. 

Lots of people, we're very leery of the Housely hire as he was playing poker with a straight flush with Nashville's D. Right how he's got a pair of 9s. You can't play it the same way. I don't think he can adjust. 

[That Aud Smell]

49 minutes ago, inkman said:

Risto looks bad at hockey. 

I watched part of the first. That guy just chases shadows out there. Constantly out of position. He must be infuriating to play with. So long as he's getting big minutes, this team will be bad.

[Weave]

So, we drafted and traded to build an entire team of below NHL average intelligence?  I don't buy it.  Every team runs a system, and most team systems have very similar elements to them.  Phyllis isn't trying to install a genius level system here.  I seriously doubt it requires any more thought on the players parts than any other team system.