GDT: Sabres at San Jose 10/18/18 10:30 PM MSG, WGR

[SabresBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

I thought Housley would've been a better fit in Rochester at the time of his hiring.  He has no pro head coaching experience.... None.   That's not the tyow of guy for a young inexperienced team.

I agree with this. 

5 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I still think Mittlestadt needs a year in Rochester. Help make that team a winning culture that can then carry over. He has a long way to go and needs to win and succeed at this age. 

I agree after watching him in Vegas.

[SabresBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said:

I would urge people to rewatch this game, focusing only on the Sharks' 3D Justin Braun. Watch carefully, and ask yourself if Ristolainen is anywhere close to his level as a hockey player, and consider this going forward in our roster evaluations. 

I know the game in Vegas Risto stunk. He should have been more aggressive on Eakins shortie. I hate to say it but these players have had bad coaching and bad players to play with and they are getting bad habits. This team needs a coaching staff that expects more and they need a swift kick in the ass.

[pi2000]

Just now, Randall Flagg said:

I would urge people to rewatch this game, focusing only on the Sharks' 3D Justin Braun. Watch carefully, and ask yourself if Ristolainen is anywhere close to his level as a hockey player, and consider this going forward in our roster evaluations. 

I said this 3 years ago.   Risto has always been a very high minus player for a reason... Low hockey IQ.    He should be on the upswing of his career at his age, but it appears he's actually regressing.   

When Housley was hired, the idea was that he could develop the blue line.   Scandella looks awful, Risto awful, Dahlin looks like an 18 year old playing tight and nervous... He should be flashing his offensive ability more often.   Nelson's development has stagnated, same with McCabe.   

[JJFIVEOH]

5 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

I thought Housley would've been a better fit in Rochester at the time of his hiring.  He has no pro head coaching experience.... None.   That's not the tyow of guy for a young inexperienced team.

Housley is like Rolston who is like Goober Bylsma. They are teachers, they aren't head coaches. They all make perfect assistant coaches, but they make for horrible head coaches. This is a big boy league, if you can't produce, you should be demoted. The NHL level isn't a place for learning. An NHL head coach should be somebody like Spuddy Gallant. 

 

I'm so done with BFLO sports. Unfortunately, I'll watch them all weekend and then bitch about how much they suck, lol. 

[SabresBillsFan]

1 minute ago, pi2000 said:

I said this 3 years ago.   Risto has always been a very high minus player for a reason... Low hockey IQ.    He should be on the upswing of his career at his age, but it appears he's actually regressing.   

When Housley was hired, the idea was that he could develop the blue line.   Scandella looks awful, Risto awful, Dahlin looks like an 18 year old playing tight and nervous... He should be flashing his offensive ability more often.   Nelson's development has stagnated, same with McCabe.   

Agree with this 100%

[hockeyhound]

It's a new group of players, and together they're going to have to figure out how to win, how to play the game like men.

[pi2000]

3 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said:

Housley is like Rolston who is like Goober Bylsma. They are teachers, they aren't head coaches. They all make perfect assistant coaches, but they make for horrible head coaches. This is a big boy league, if you can't produce, you should be demoted. The NHL level isn't a place for learning. An NHL head coach should be somebody like Spuddy Gallant. 

 

I'm so done with BFLO sports. Unfortunately, I'll watch them all weekend and then bitch about how much they suck, lol. 

Bylsma at least made some lemonade out of some lemons.

Housley is turning that lemonade into a shiiit stew.  

I wouldve liked to see what Bylsma would've done with last year's roster.    If it didn't work out, Gallant was there for the taking during the season.   

I'd like to see what Dave Tippett could get out of this roster... His teams in Arizona always overachieved.

 

[Randall Flagg]

1 minute ago, pi2000 said:

Bylsma at least made some lemonade out of some lemons.

Housley is turning that lemonade into a shiiit stew.  

I wouldve liked to see what Bylsma would've done with last year's roster.    If it didn't work out, Gallant was there for the taking during the season.   

I'd like to see what Dave Tippett could get out of this roster... His teams in Arizona always overachieved.

 

Both of these were physically impossible. Gallant coached the entire season for Vegas. And DDB wasn't coming back after finishing the last quarter of the season at a 30 point pace, and having his entire team shove Jack upstairs to the GMs room to ask him to fire the coach. 

[hockeyhound]

39 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

We need some skill in the lineup.

I have no doubt the skill is there; however, something can be said about coupling that skill with a fierce drive and determination that will not be denied while imposing one's will over his opponent.

It's one thing to shadow box in front of a mirror; however, its a whole nother thing to face an opponent in the ring. Skill under pressure; putting it all together sometimes is much harder than you anticipate. Warriors are made.

Some people will run from dangerous situations and some people will run right into it.

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by hockeyhound

[pi2000]

1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said:

Both of these were physically impossible. Gallant coached the entire season for Vegas. And DDB wasn't coming back after finishing the last quarter of the season at a 30 point pace, and having his entire team shove Jack upstairs to the GMs room to ask him to fire the coach. 

Oh that's right.  It was Bylsma final year that Gallant hit the market... In November IIRC.    

[SabresBillsFan]

1 minute ago, JJFIVEOH said:

Housley is like Rolston who is like Goober Bylsma. They are teachers, they aren't head coaches. They all make perfect assistant coaches, but they make for horrible head coaches. This is a big boy league, if you can't produce, you should be demoted. The NHL level isn't a place for learning. An NHL head coach should be somebody like Spuddy Gallant. 

 

I'm so done with BFLO sports. Unfortunately, I'll watch them all weekend and then bitch about how much they suck, lol. 

I’m a season ticket holder here in Vegas and the Golden Knights compete.  Yes they are an older team but all the players respect Gallant and he lets them play. He expects them to play hard. They started off the season slow due to the Schmidt suspension and Tuch injury. Both will be back soon and they should pick it up. I know all these teams play some systems but sometimes I think these players  don’t like these systems. 

When I lived in Buffalo I really didn’t pay too much attention to the Bills as I fell more in love with the Sabres. I have always felt that both teams better have great scouting and that they better build both teams thru the draft because they have been practically farm teams for both leagues. Most don’t want to hear this but a lot of quality players don’t want to go to Buffalo. I still believe in this draft philosophy for both teams. 

[SabresBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

Bylsma at least made some lemonade out of some lemons.

Housley is turning that lemonade into a shiiit stew.  

I wouldve liked to see what Bylsma would've done with last year's roster.    If it didn't work out, Gallant was there for the taking during the season.   

I'd like to see what Dave Tippett could get out of this roster... His teams in Arizona always overachieved.

 

I forgot about Tippet and your right his teams seemed like they always over achieved. I think he would be tougher than Housley.

[Randall Flagg]

10 minutes ago, hockeyhound said:

I have no doubt the skill is there; however, something can be said about coupling that skill with a fierce drive and determination that will not be denied while imposing one's will over his opponent.

I definitely have doubt. Our 25 minute munching top defender is substantially worse than either third pairing D that played for SJ tonight, and his partner was worse than THAT.

Donskoi was a better and more assertive forward than anybody not named Jack for us in this game. We have probably 5 forwards out there that shouldn't be getting NHL ice time. Still

Talent remains the biggest need for this team to be a consistent winner. I hope it's the primary focus in the offseason this time.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Randall Flagg

[JJFIVEOH]

Do I have to be the first person to point out that Lehner has a higher career save percentage than Hutton?

13 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

Bylsma at least made some lemonade out of some lemons.

Housley is turning that lemonade into a shiiit stew.  

I wouldve liked to see what Bylsma would've done with last year's roster.    If it didn't work out, Gallant was there for the taking during the season.   

I'd like to see what Dave Tippett could get out of this roster... His teams in Arizona always overachieved.

 

I would have loved to see what Nolan could have done with today's roster. 

[JJFIVEOH]

6 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said:

I’m a season ticket holder here in Vegas and the Golden Knights compete.  Yes they are an older team but all the players respect Gallant and he lets them play. He expects them to play hard. They started off the season slow due to the Schmidt suspension and Tuch injury. Both will be back soon and they should pick it up. I know all these teams play some systems but sometimes I think these players  don’t like these systems. 

When I lived in Buffalo I really didn’t pay too much attention to the Bills as I fell more in love with the Sabres. I have always felt that both teams better have great scouting and that they better build both teams thru the draft because they have been practically farm teams for both leagues. Most don’t want to hear this but a lot of quality players don’t want to go to Buffalo. I still believe in this draft philosophy for both teams. 

I follow two teams, the Panthers and the Sabres. I knew exactly what Spuddy did for the Cats. He is a player's coach. Head coaches don't need to be teachers. Tallon hired Boogie and he's filled Gallant's spot perfectly. Rolston, Bylsma, Housley................ none of these guys have the balls to be head coaches. Bylsma was fortunate to take over a team that was going to win a Cup regardless. 

 

The Sabres need a real coach. A player's coach. 

[pi2000]

...meanwhile Robin Lehner stops 28 of 30 in a 7-2 thumping of the Kings in LA.  They'll be fired up on Saturday.

ROR would sure look nice on the PK right about now... meanwhile Berglund is a healthy scratch because of one missed assignment... And that assignment was covering for one of many Ristos gaffes.

Eichel and Risto are a combine -11 in 6 games.... but that stat doesn't mean anything.

Okposo is a -1, looking much better all around than last season.  Looks like he's going to breakthrough offensively very soon.

 

[Randall Flagg]

1 minute ago, JJFIVEOH said:

I follow two teams, the Panthers and the Sabres. I knew exactly what Spuddy did for the Cats. He is a player's coach. Head coaches don't need to be teachers. Tallon hired Boogie and he's filled Gallant's spot perfectly. Rolston, Bylsma, Housley................ none of these guys have the balls to be head coaches. Bylsma was fortunate to take over a team that was going to win a Cup regardless. 

 

The Sabres need a real coach. A player's coach. 

Worth pointing out that Dan's Pens were out of a playoff spot when he was hired. I didn't like his coaching 7 years after that point, but you can't take that guy's accomplishment away from him in Pitt.

[North Buffalo]

8 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said:

. Most don’t want to hear this but a lot of quality players don’t want to go to Buffalo. I still believe in this draft philosophy for both teams. 

Yeh, this is BS....  when the Sabres have been good they have found good players.. the draft though is how you build a team any team and then bring in a few pieces the fill in the last part.  Also trades can work as well.  Sheary, Skinner and Hutton have been good adds.  Vegas as much as it is fun is not a place that I would want to live ever and I have been there a few times... the casinos are depressing... 

[JJFIVEOH]

2 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

Worth pointing out that Dan's Pens were out of a playoff spot when he was hired. I didn't like his coaching 7 years after that point, but you can't take that guy's accomplishment away from him in Pitt.

Oh, definitely not. I'm not going to take away from what he accomplished. He is near the top all-time in win percentage. But he did take over a team that was young and chock full of talent just waiting to explode. Maybe he had something to do with that, maybe not. But the fact remains, he is a teacher and not a head coach. The Sabres have been failures for several years and in that time, they have had soft, lifeless coaches. Rolston, Bylsma, Housley............ Look at the best teams in the league. They have head coaches who are hard-***** and not teachers. The Sabres haven't had a player's coach since Nolan. 

[pi2000]

15 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said:

Most don’t want to hear this but a lot of quality players don’t want to go to Buffalo. I still believe in this draft philosophy for both teams. 

It sucks but it's true.  I know this from talking with the players themselves, some now retired, others still in the league. 

[hockeyhound]

15 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I definitely have doubt. Our 25 minute munching top defender is substantially worse than either third pairing D that played for SJ tonight, and his partner was worse than THAT.

Donskoi was a better and more assertive forward than anybody not named Jack for us in this game. We have probably 5 forwards out there that shouldn't be getting NHL ice time. Still

Talent remains the biggest need for this team to be a consistent winner. I hope it's the primary focus in the offseason this time.

Is it a lack of talent, or is it that they cannot perform under pressure.

 

[JJFIVEOH]

At this point, since my move, I am equidistant from Nashville and Raleigh. Do I turn in my Panthers and Sabres fan card to follow a new team?

Nashville costs an entire mortgage to see a game. Carolina, I can get an AirBNB for cheap and lower bowl tickets for pennies on the dollar. Hmmmm.........

[SABRES 0311]

Just saw the game after work. I sometimes think about JBot coming down to the bench mid game and firing Phil. Welcome back losing record. Glad you didn’t go away for too long.

Know how you fix the power play? Remove KO and tell Jack he is only allowed to shoot, no passing.

Move Risto to second pair where he belongs and put Dahlin with Scandella. 

Bring up some kids from Roch and sit Tage and Pommers. 

ERod moves to third line where he belongs, not fourth.

Hunt down the PP coach’s acid dealer.

Shave that rat on Eichel’s face until he hits puberty.

[7+6=13]

33 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said:

At this point, since my move, I am equidistant from Nashville and Raleigh. Do I turn in my Panthers and Sabres fan card to follow a new team?

Nashville costs an entire mortgage to see a game. Carolina, I can get an AirBNB for cheap and lower bowl tickets for pennies on the dollar. Hmmmm.........

If that's an option for you, yes.

[North Buffalo]

Put KO on a third line, sit or waive Pomminstein, send down Tage, send down Ellie, though I like him on a fourth line and bring up Oloffson, CJ and Nylander.

Just now, 7+6=13 said:

If that's an option for you, yes.

No, suffer with the rest of us, because once it turns... it will be glorious and nfw you route for Carolina...