Erik Karlsson Traded to San Jose

[Huckleberry]

Don't know if the sharks can extend him, but at least they are showing to be all in this year.

Something the old guys on the team must surely love.

[Randall Flagg]

Dylan DeMelo was not qualified by SJS this summer and was a UFA for two weeks. Nobody wanted him, and SJ then re-signed him. 

[Huckleberry]

Makes JBOT look like a trade genious, and were complaning about Kane and O'Reilly returns.   

Besides Tierney and that 2020 1st  (which will like be very low as well) there might not be a single guy making the roster.

And I take it the conditional picks are if Karlsson gets traded to the east this season ?   Damn that is one crappy return.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Huckleberry

[Randall Flagg]

Paul Coffey's career cast: Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Lemieux, Jagr, Francis
EK's: Late-career Alfie and Spezza, and then Mike Hoffman and Mark Stone and Kyle Turris

[LGR4GM]

10 hours ago, Eleven said:

 

Either you two are bad at math, or I have a fundamental misunderstanding of the current scheduling system.  And I miss the old one.

Don't we play each team 4 times? 8 games, 16 points? 

[ubkev]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Don't we play each team 4 times? 8 games, 16 points? 

I think @Eleven was directing that at @WildCard and I. 

I'm really good at simple math, Eleven. Just a brain fart. I know we can't possibly play Ottawa 8 times. 

But, Liger, my bet still holds. 5 bucks says we lose one to the Sens.

[LGR4GM]

We'll probably lose 1 game to each team. Although, losing to Ottawa may slowly be less and less likely. If Norris and Tkachuk are smart they will go back to college for a year and avoid that place until they are ton burning it to the ground.

[MattPie]

31 minutes ago, ubkev said:

I think @Eleven was directing that at @WildCard and I. 

I'm really good at simple math, Eleven. Just a brain fart. I know we can't possibly play Ottawa 8 times. 

But, Liger, my bet still holds. 5 bucks says we lose one to the Sens.

For a awhile the schedule was 8 games against divisional opponents "to build rivalries", but at least since going to 4 divisions that hasn't been the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season_structure_of_the_NHL

[LTS]

16 hours ago, Thorny said:

That is exactly what the condition says. 

I am reading that now.  The first reports implied if the Sharks traded him to an Eastern Conference team.  Much better then.

[Eleven]

52 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Don't we play each team 4 times? 8 games, 16 points? 

I think we play each team (in division) 4 times total, not 4 home and 4 away.  So 4 games, 8 points.

[MattPie]

10 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I think we play each team (in division) 4 times total, not 4 home and 4 away.  So 4 games, 8 points.

Yep. It's different between east and west, but from the link above this is the East structure:

Within Division	4 games × 7 opponents	28
Within Conference, Non-divisional	3 games × 8 opponents	24
Inter-conference	2 games × 15 opponents	30

Edited September 14, 2018 by MattPie

[dudacek]

8 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Paul Coffey's career cast: Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Lemieux, Jagr, Francis
EK's: Late-career Alfie and Spezza, and then Mike Hoffman and Mark Stone and Kyle Turris

Hard to believe, but Bobby Orr is actually underrated.

Those numbers are sick.

Edited September 14, 2018 by dudacek

[Eleven]

8 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Paul Coffey's career cast: Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Lemieux, Jagr, Francis
EK's: Late-career Alfie and Spezza, and then Mike Hoffman and Mark Stone and Kyle Turris

Why is that cut off on the left where Dahlin is?

[WildCard]

"Vegas sources indicating that Ottawa wouldn't put a value on taking the Ryan contract," Dreger said. "Ottawa's perspective was, 'No, you're getting a decent NHL player here who happens to have an ugly contract. But it's a hockey trade.'"

The Golden Knights were believed to be close to acquiring Karlsson and Ryan at the trade deadline in February. In fact, Ryan said in the following days that he and Karlsson both believed that they would be dealt to a Western Conference team before the deadline.

Dreger noted the Golden Knights disagreed with the Sens' argument on Ryan's value. The Golden Knights are one of few teams who could've afforded to take on Ryan's $7.25 million cap hit through 2021-22 in addition to Karlsson's $6.5 million salary this year.

https://www.tsn.ca/sens-refused-to-give-ryan-discount-in-trades-1.1172887

[LGR4GM]

The Knights are bound and determined to f### up their prospect pool aren't they. Quick lets see if they want Matt Moulson. 

Edited September 14, 2018 by LGR4GM

[WildCard]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

The Knights are bound and determined to f### up their prospect pool aren't they. Quick lets see if they want Matt Moulson. 

I mean it is the same guy that traded Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, WildCard said:

I mean it is the same guy that traded Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat

... I have no more questions. 

[Randall Flagg]

I mean, it looks to me like they're the one that understands Bobby Ryan's value in that situation, so I have no problem with that. 

Can't blame any team in the league for trying to acquire EK, especially a team that refused to part with its top prospect, especially a team 3 wins from a cup last year

[apuszczalowski]

SJ is said to be trying to sign Karlsson to an extension and its believed he is willing to stay there. They are definitely going all in and are the west favorites for the cup....

[WildCard]

1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

SJ is said to be trying to sign Karlsson to an extension and its believed he is willing to stay there. They are definitely going all in and are the west favorites for the cup....

IIRC, there isn't any conditions in the trade about him re-signing, which is pretty insane

[Mustache of God]

6 hours ago, Eleven said:

Why is that cut off on the left where Dahlin is?

Because it'd make the chart unreadable, Dahlin's bar being so high, the rest of them would like columns for ants and would be completely unreadable. 

[Thorner]

19 minutes ago, WildCard said:

IIRC, there isn't any conditions in the trade about him re-signing, which is pretty insane

Sens receive a 2nd in 2021 if Karlsson resigns, and it's upgraded to a non-lottery protected 1st should the Sharks reach the Final this season. 

[WildCard]

@6thSens
From @Michael_Traikos' latest on Karlsson and the Senators' front office:

Karlsson hasn't spoken to Melynk since last November. Unreal