LGR4GM Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 Ristolainen, Scandella, Bogosian, Dahlin, Beaulieu, Hunwick, McCabe, Nelson, Pilut Guhle Hickey This isn't the order, just the number we have who can compete for an NHL roster spot. Hickey to me is the only one on the list that's a little bit of a stretch. We will carry 7 defenders maybe 8. To make it hard, pick the 6 defenders who are on the opening night roster after the camp battle ends. You can add 2 more defenders you think will be part of the 23 man roster. Quote
Amerks8796 Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 I believe Botterill carried 8D most, if not all, last season. If everyone is healthy, Guhle, Pilut and Hickey will be sent down to start the year. Quote
dudacek Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Edited August 29, 2018 by dudacek 2 Quote
Eleven Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 2:32 PM, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Expand This seems right. Quote
sabills Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 2:32 PM, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Expand Top-6 seem pretty set. I'd like to say that Ghule makes it, but even thought he's probably better than Hunwick or Beaulieu I don't think he cracks the every day lineup, so he might as well actually play in Rochester. 1 Quote
WildCard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 Pilut is making this team, bet on it Quote
woods-racer Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 All I know is this is the best group fighting for 6 spots we have had in it seems like forever. Quote
Amerks8796 Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 3:24 PM, WildCard said: Pilut is making this team, bet on it Expand Sexton literally said he’ll start in Rochester to get adjusted. There would need to be like 3 injuries on defense or he’ll have to have an all time great camp to make the team. Quote
Drunkard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 2:32 PM, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Expand This On 8/29/2018 at 3:20 PM, sabills said: Top-6 seem pretty set. I'd like to say that Ghule makes it, but even thought he's probably better than Hunwick or Beaulieu I don't think he cracks the every day lineup, so he might as well actually play in Rochester. Expand And this. Guhle is probably good enough to make the team (top 8) but he's better off playing top minutes in Rochester rather than playing spot duty or bottom pairing with the big club and since he's waiver eligible they should probably send him down until his play forces them to keep him up and feed him minutes. Quote
WildCard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) On 8/29/2018 at 3:37 PM, Amerks8796 said: Sexton literally said he’ll start in Rochester to get adjusted. There would need to be like 3 injuries on defense or he’ll have to have an all time great camp to make the team. Expand Alright so maybe don't bet on it then Edited August 29, 2018 by WildCard 2 Quote
nfreeman Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 I agree with duda's lineup except that I think Hunwick will start over Nelson, and Nelson and Beaulieu will be the 2 extras. Quote
LGR4GM Posted August 29, 2018 Author Report Posted August 29, 2018 I think at least 1 of the players is traded prior to the season starting. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 2:32 PM, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Expand Now you see why I want to trade for Faulk. Bogo is no longer a top 4 D and although we are stuck with him for two more seasons, I think his best fit now is as the physical 3 pair. Hunwick and Baloo are LHDs as are Guhle and Pilut. I’d like to have Nelson as the 4th RHD then playing ever night. 1 Quote
Drunkard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 4:55 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Now you see why I want to trade for Faulk. Bogo is no longer a top 4 D and although we are stuck with him for two more seasons, I think his best fit now is as the physical 3 pair. Hunwick and Baloo are LHDs as are Guhle and Pilut. I’d like to have Nelson as the 4th RHD then playing ever night. Expand Can you imagine how much worse it would look if we traded Ristolainen just to shake up the core? People wanted to ship him out for Klefbom (another LHD) and a draft pick. It just boggles the mind. Quote
sabills Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 5:20 PM, Alkoholist said: Can you imagine how much worse it would look if we traded Ristolainen just to shake up the core? People wanted to ship him out for Klefbom (another LHD) and a draft pick. It just boggles the mind. Expand That idea would probably have carried more weight if they hadn't gotten Dahlin Quote
Tondas Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 There are really only 4 D-men that pose a waiver problem: 1. Ristolainen 2. Scandella 3. McCabe 4. Nelson All else are exempt or "effectively exempt" (if the Sabres waived Bogosian and/or Hunwick, the choosing team would be doing the Sabres a favor). So the decision to keep Bogo or Hunwick should be solely performance based because there is no risk of losing them. Now I don't know what that would do to the Vet/ELC proportion for the Amerks, but I'll leave that to JBOT and Sexton. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 6:24 PM, Tondas said: There are really only 4 D-men that pose a waiver problem: 1. Ristolainen 2. Scandella 3. McCabe 4. Nelson All else are exempt or "effectively exempt" (if the Sabres waived Bogosian and/or Hunwick, the choosing team would be doing the Sabres a favor). So the decision to keep Bogo or Hunwick should be solely performance based because there is no risk of losing them. Now I don't know what that would do to the Vet/ELC proportion for the Amerks, but I'll leave that to JBOT and Sexton. Expand I don’t think Jbot is worried or even cares whether or not someone like Bogo or Hunwick get claimed. His biggest concern is dead cap money. We have 3.9 this season because of Moulson. We’ll have only 1.5 mill in cap after Reinhart signs. We also have a potential liability of $6 mill if Dahlin and Mittelstadt earn all their bonuses. If we don't have enough cap to pay those bonuses this season, it comes off the top next year. Quote
LGR4GM Posted August 29, 2018 Author Report Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) I am even less worried about the cap next year when 14.975mil will come off the cap in the forms of Zegmus, Larsson, Moulson, Pommers, and Bealueiue although... we do have Skinner to re-sign... even still, I think the cap is manageable next season. It will go up another 2 mil so that helps too. Edited August 29, 2018 by LGR4GM Quote
WildCard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 6:54 PM, LGR4GM said: I am even less worried about the cap next year when 14.975mil will come off the cap in the forms of Zegmus, Larsson, Moulson, Pommers, and Bealueiue although... we do have Skinner to re-sign... even still, I think the cap is manageable next season. It will go up another 2 mil so that helps too. Expand Sounds like we have about $8M to play with next year in this scenario Quote
Taro T Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) On 8/29/2018 at 2:32 PM, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Expand With the outside possibility that Hunwick beats out Nelson, that's my expectation. IF the Sabres are out of contention in the '19 portion of the season would like to see Guhle & Pilut bumping into the 6. Will probably see at least 1 of them & Dahlin slid to the right side when Bogosian inevitably breaks anyhow. Edited August 29, 2018 by Taro T Quote
dudacek Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 Interesting quote from Davis Payne that echoes what we’ve seen from Housley and Botterill: “Our message all along has been backend out and we're adding some real good pieces, we're bringing some guys back in our lineup that missed significant time last year," Payne said. "I think that's just going to allow us to get the puck quicker, transition quicker, and play the fast game that we want to play." Dahlin, of course, but they are clearly counting on Bogo and McCabe to boost the back line. You wonder what that means for Pilut, Nelson and Guhle. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 12:35 AM, dudacek said: Interesting quote from Davis Payne that echoes what we’ve seen from Housley and Botterill: “Our message all along has been backend out and we're adding some real good pieces, we're bringing some guys back in our lineup that missed significant time last year," Payne said. "I think that's just going to allow us to get the puck quicker, transition quicker, and play the fast game that we want to play." Dahlin, of course, but they are clearly counting on Bogo and McCabe to boost the back line. You wonder what that means for Pilut, Nelson and Guhle. Expand It means work hard, play well and bide your time because everyone on the depth chart in front of you except Dahlin and Risto are on two years or less deals. Their oppotunity to shine is coming and soon. Baloo and McCabe are RFAs after this season. Hunwick, Nelson, Bogo and Scandella have two years left and it’s likely that only Scandella is re-signed and even that is a serious maybe because of his age then. Quote
Hawerchuk Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 I really hope we don't have to see Beaulieu on the ice for the Sabres ever again! I haven't even seen Hunwick skate and I'd rather start him over Beaulieu any day of the week. Quote
LGR4GM Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 As Vogl put it in the Athletic... Quote The fight for a spot on the third pair should be a knockdown, drag-out affair. Jake McCabe has the inside track after recovering from shoulder surgery, but he’ll battle with NHL veterans Matt Hunwick and Nathan Beaulieu, second-year pro Brendan Guhle, and Swedish defenseman of the year Lawrence Pilut. Expand He has Scandella and Dahlin as the top 2 LW Defenders. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 3:47 PM, LGR4GM said: As Vogl put it in the Athletic... He has Scandella and Dahlin as the top 2 LW Defenders. Expand So does everyone. Jbot said Dahlin is going to be on the left side, despite playing right in Sweden. Quote
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