Donald J Trump, your thoughts on his Presidency

[drnkirishone]

On 12/14/2020 at 9:55 AM, LGR4GM said:

Electoral College votes today. Then this will be over. 

On 12/14/2020 at 1:33 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

A joint session certifies the results. Pretty sure it will go through with some posturing from Republicans but nothing to put a hold on the inauguration. The next four years is anyone’s guess.

a look back at the good ole days when we had hope for american democracy

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, SwampD said:

Sure.

This is a straight up coup. Calling it anything else is a complicit lie. Look at the pictures of the capitol steps during the BLM protests. There were rows of armed riot officers. Today they had nothing, knowing there was an important vote and a rally right down the street. 

And Trump keeps lying and idiots keep eating it up. 

Yes the same security should’ve been in place.  Cities burning and weapons at capitals.  In earlier posts I denied increasing violence toward civil war.  Sounds very extreme.  

[Sabel79]

I would really love to have a look through 311’s browser history... 

anyway, it was a coup attempt.  There will likely be a more successful one in the near future.  We’re in big trouble/doomed as a country.  It was obvious several years ago and has never been particularly well hidden in any sort of shadow.  See thread below: 

 

 

[SABRES 0311]

3 minutes ago, Sabel79 said:

I would really love to have a look through 311’s browser history... 

anyway, it was a coup attempt.  There will likely be a more successful one in the near future.  We’re in big trouble/doomed as a country.  It was obvious several years ago and has never been particularly well hidden in any sort of shadow.  See thread below: 

 

 

Why do you want to see my browsing history? 
 

[Curt]

4 minutes ago, Sabel79 said:

I would really love to have a look through 311’s browser history... 

anyway, it was a coup attempt.  There will likely be a more successful one in the near future.  We’re in big trouble/doomed as a country.  It was obvious several years ago and has never been particularly well hidden in any sort of shadow.  See thread below: 

 

 

I disagree and also agree.  Everyone and everything in the universe is doomed, it’s just a question of when, not if.

Also, today was step in the wrong direction for this country.

However, I don’t feel that this country is doomed in the near future.  It can get better.

[Weave]

Doomed? No.  In a spiral? Yes.  Can we pull out of it?  It's gonna take some very skilled pilots.  For months I've been saying this won't end well.  I'm sorry to not be wrong.  It's seemed obvious to me that the end result, hell, the endgame, was escalation up to this point.  Trump's been egging on the egg heads for about 5 years now.  Lock her up turned to stop the steal turned to march on the Capitol.

So we had armed invaders with restraints wearing thin blue line punisher badges.  That explains why virtually no shots were fired.  Law Enforcement picked sides. 

And we wonder why the BLM movement was so intense.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Weave

[Curt]

I wonder what legislators (including GOPs who supported/enabled Trump) who had to go hide under desks today are thinking about as they go home this evening.

[Weave]

Yup, the Capital police were definitely taking sides.

From Twitter:

 

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Joe Scarborough

@JoeNBC

Pelosi and McConnell need to investigate why: (1) the Capitol was so poorly prepared for today’s attack, (2) why police were taking selfies with domestic terrorists, & (3) why those guilty of insurrection were escorted out the front door instead of being handcuffed and arrested.

 

 

And this one too.  Cops letting the rioters in:

 

 

[Eleven]

4 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Someone got shot

Because of the same nonsense theories that you encouraged on this board. It matters not which "side" she was on; there is the American side (an election happened and certain people lost) and the rebel side (hey, let's invade Congress).  I genuinely hope you did not do this elsewhere.

EDIT:  She is dead now.  

Edited January 7, 2021 by Eleven

[SwampD]

37 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Because of the same nonsense theories that you encouraged on this board. It matters not which "side" she was on; there is the American side (an election happened and certain people lost) and the rebel side (hey, let's invade Congress).  I genuinely hope you did not do this elsewhere.

EDIT:  She is dead now.  

HowTF can anyone watch this and say it wasn’t a coup attempt? Trump fires up a bunch of armed followers with lies, then sends them on their way to attack the very lawmakers who are certifying his removal from office? Again, saying anything else is a complicit lie.

Edited January 7, 2021 by SwampD

[SABRES 0311]

30 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Because of the same nonsense theories that you encouraged on this board. It matters not which "side" she was on; there is the American side (an election happened and certain people lost) and the rebel side (hey, let's invade Congress).  I genuinely hope you did not do this elsewhere.

EDIT:  She is dead now.  

Since you put her blood on my hands why don’t you explain EXACTLY what I said that led to her death.

[Eleven]

On 11/15/2020 at 6:31 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

 

Correct me if I’m wrong but the concern here is the condoning of violence in the streets by the POTUS. I'll give you that one. That said ANTIFA is garbage both as a collective and as individuals. 

 

On 11/15/2020 at 9:04 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

You answered your inquiry of what AntiFa is in the first sentence of the second paragraph. If you would like I can put a nice long post together comparing them to past and present organizations along with all kinds of videos of what they do.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 9:20 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

So you say there is no they and then say “they” are no different from extremist groups on the right. Ok lol. Trying to pull a Jerry Nadler doesn’t make AntiFa non existent.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 9:52 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

Representative from New York and Chairmen of the House Judiciary Committee. 

AntiFa or any other group (left or right) will not be responsible or capable of physically removing a political official from a seat they refuse to vacate. Do you really think DC Police and Secret Service would let armed citizens bust in the door? That’s kind of what those guys with guns are there to prevent. 

Ive been thinking of starting a thread to discuss extremist groups on both sides. I have a feeling more are on the way and those that exist will continue making life interesting.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 10:24 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

The value of 2A is that it identifies the right to bear arms and organize well regulated militias. The idea being if the government crossed a certain line the citizens would be able to organize and fight back. I don’t think we are at that point but I believe other people on both sides do think we are. My advice is to let this play out between now and January.

 IMO anyone who advocates for violent removal/installation of a political figure at this point is emotionally unstable or does not possess the right experience to make that call. Then again my vision is limited like everyone else.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 10:52 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

It’s something everyone has to wait and see. A lot can happen between now and January. If the FEC certifies Biden as they winner I think we will have a peaceful transition.

I don’t know how much you watch cable news but I’ve limited myself to watching for entertainment purposes only. Too much hype. I try to read articles more now and watch videos from people at these events.

 

On 11/17/2020 at 7:27 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

Well, the results haven’t been certified yet and it doesn’t look like they will be any time soon. I didn’t say anything about Republicans. All I said was I don’t think this thing ends any time soon and if it’s Biden I think we have a peaceful transition.

 

On 11/18/2020 at 5:43 AM, SABRES 0311 said:

Biden won’t be a unifier because some on the right will continue to dispute the election and some will not agree with his policies. Some on the left may think his policies are not progressive enough to counter Trump’s. From Obama to Trump the pendulum swung pretty far. I think there are those on the left who will expect Biden to have an equal but opposite reaction to Trump which may not happen. Essentially the state of polarization on so many fronts is going to make it insurmountable for him IMO.

Never once did I say he did not win. However I think the process with the courts is going to make this take longer than normal. Nobody knows for sure how that ends but I think he still gets sworn in. 

The discussion I had above turned into armed conflict because of the election which is why I said my advice is to let it play out (as opposed to people killing each other).

I hope this clears up any miscommunication with what I was trying to say. But since you came at me like that for no reason let me respond.

There is a segment of this country which is emotionally frail. They lash out when others don’t agree or don’t say things exactly how they want. If you are looking for what contributes to division look in the mirror. Before you attempt to lecture me, which honestly means nothing at this point, remember you fired the first shot. 

 

 

On 11/18/2020 at 9:26 AM, SABRES 0311 said:

Yes I see the numbers like everyone else. As I said nobody knows for sure how this ends. There is a level of uncertainty even if it is unlikely the current results change. How am I casting doubt by saying the election is disputed and the final result of that dispute is unknown? It’s literally what is happening. 

 

On 11/18/2020 at 9:30 AM, SABRES 0311 said:

I don’t know how to make what I am saying any more clear. I have not taken a position for or against the election dispute. I have simply acknowledged it is happening. Biden won and it is being disputed. That dispute means this may take longer than normal. It’s extremely unlikely the results are overturned but right or wrong it could happen. 

Hey another post where you offer nothing. 

 

On 11/18/2020 at 9:55 AM, SABRES 0311 said:

So Trump is not disputing the election? That dispute is not delaying the process? 

 

On 11/18/2020 at 10:09 AM, SABRES 0311 said:

Harming America? Get a grip. All I did was acknowledge the fact the election results are in dispute by Trump and that it’s delaying the process. With any dispute the final outcome is to be determined until the dispute is over. Never did I say I agree with the dispute or perpetuate the claimed basis of the dispute. Biden has more votes. I don’t see the current results being overturned. That doesn’t mean we bury our heads and pretend that something crazy couldn’t happen.

I can’t tell if you guys are screwing with me or seriously believe I am pushing something I’m not. 

I ran out after these. this is only halfway through November.  You're a loss-denier, and you harm America.  

 

 Did I say that you killed her?  No.  Did I say that the type of stuff that you spread leads to violence?  Oh, yes I did. And oh, yes, it did. That's on you.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Eleven

[drnkirishone]

7 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Since you put her blood on my hands why don’t you explain EXACTLY what I said that led to her death.

fairly confident it was you repeating and spreading the election fraud lies coming from the commander in orange

[Eleven]

4 minutes ago, drnkirishone said:

fairly confident it was you repeating and spreading the election fraud lies coming from the commander in orange

Might as well be a murderer himself.  The spreading of the "election fraud" nonsense led to a death.  It's on all of their hands.  Even if the woman concerned is on "their side," she's a dead woman, in America, because of him and his cohorts.

LTS, I already know what you're going to say.  But there's a difference between accepting fact and presenting fiction.  If we're going to tolerate presenting fiction here, I'm out.  People already have died.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Eleven

[Curt]

35 minutes ago, SwampD said:

HowTF can anyone watch this and say it wasn’t a coup attempt? Trump fires up a bunch of armed followers with lies, then sends them on their way to attack the very lawmakers who are certifying his removal from office? Again, saying anything else is a complicit lie.

Ok.  Maybe it was.  If you want to call it a coup attempt, then it was a directionless, planless, hopelessly incompetent coup attempt.

I would call it a riot incited by Trump.

[SABRES 0311]

6 minutes ago, Eleven said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran out after these. this is only halfway through November.  You're a loss-denier, and you harm America.  

 

 Did I say that you killed her?  No.  Did I say that the type of stuff that you spread leads to violence?  Oh, yes I did. And oh, yes, it did. That's on you.

So going through those posts I said Biden won’t be unifier because there are those on the right who won’t go for it.  That is not a conspiracy theory because there will be people who just won’t unite with him.  That was proven today.  To be a unifier you have to convince people to come together.  People are dug in so deep I do not see it happening.

You say I spread baseless election fraud lies that led to a women’s death.  Trump disputed the election.  That is a fact as we saw the votes on that dispute today.  If I remember correctly your issue was with me saying I was pretty sure Biden would be inaugurated.  How is that spreading lies when at the time of that post none of us knew exactly what would happen with those claims?

I said if Biden is declared winner when this is all over we would have a peaceful transition.  I was wrong on that prediction.

In one of your cited posts I said at this point if anyone advocates for violent removal of an elected official they are mentally unstable.

Where in those posts do I advocate for violent removal or claims of election fraud?

12 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Might as well be a murderer himself.  The spreading of the "election fraud" nonsense led to a death.  It's on all of their hands.  Even if the woman concerned is on "their side," she's a dead woman, in America, because of him and his cohorts.

And this is why I have zero respect for you. Absolutely disgusting.  

[SwampD]

2 minutes ago, Curt said:

Ok.  Maybe it was.  If you want to call it a coup attempt, then it was a directionless, planless, hopelessly incompetent coup attempt.

I would call it a riot incited by Trump.

Fair.

[Eleven]

1 minute ago, Curt said:

Ok.  Maybe it was.  If you want to call it a coup attempt, then it was a directionless, planless, hopelessly incompetent coup attempt.

I would call it a riot incited by Trump.

Your last sentence is fair only because he's incapable of planning an actual coup.  He's not smart enough.  He actually tried!  In America!  And people supported it!  SAD.

And someone is dead.  Her blood is on the hands of his supporters.

1 minute ago, SABRES 0311 said:

So going through those posts I said Biden won’t be unifier because there are those on the right who won’t go for it.  That is not a conspiracy theory because there will be people who just won’t unite with him.  That was proven today.  To be a unifier you have to convince people to come together.  People are dug in so deep I do not see it happening.

You say I spread baseless election fraud lies that led to a women’s death.  Trump disputed the election.  That is a fact as we saw the votes on that dispute today.  If I remember correctly your issue was with me saying I was pretty sure Biden would be inaugurated.  How is that spreading lies when at the time of that post none of us knew exactly what would happen with those claims?

I said if Biden is declared winner when this is all over we would have a peaceful transition.  I was wrong on that prediction.

In one of your cited posts I said at this point if anyone advocates for violent removal of an elected official they are mentally unstable.

Where in those posts do I advocate for violent removal or claims of election fraud?

And this is why I have zero respect for you. Absolutely disgusting.  

Good.  I don't want respect from traitors.

[Curt]

2 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Your last sentence is fair only because he's incapable of planning an actual coup.  He's not smart enough.  He actually tried!  In America!  And people supported it!  SAD.

And someone is dead.  Her blood is on the hands of his supporters.

Listen.  At this point, I don’t understand how anyone could support that living dumpster.  They are misguided at best and truly frightening at worst.

However......

I don’t know the situation of what happened to that woman, but she made a decision to be there, doing whatever she was doing, and whoever pulled the trigger made a decision too.  Those parties are the ones who are personally responsible.

I think you are going a bit heavy on this rhetoric that anyone who ever said anything positive about Trump, or who wanted to wait and see if any election fraud was actually uncovered, now has blood on their hands and bare personal responsibility for a death today.

Just think about it.  I’m not going to say another word on the topic.

[Eleven]

5 minutes ago, Curt said:

but she made a decision to be there

and why?

As for the rest of it, there is a difference between those who voted Trump and those who accepted and/or promoted a voter fraud narrative.

Pax.  Sleep well.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Eleven

[LGR4GM]

I felt anger earlier while I watched police stand by while an attempted coup unfolded, egged on by Trump's rhetoric and lies. 

Now I just feel sadness. The lies and ambition of a few brought us to this point, and I feel saddened because half this country, would rather believe the lies of a known fraud than support the Constitution. 

[SwampD]

13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I felt anger earlier while I watched police stand by while an attempted coup unfolded, egged on by Trump's rhetoric and lies. 

Now I just feel sadness. The lies and ambition of a few brought us to this point, and I feel saddened because half this country, would rather believe the lies of a known fraud than support the Constitution. 

It's not half, but it's enough to be sad.

[Curt]

I do complement Congress for getting back to work this evening and finishing this thing, instead of doing it tomorrow or something.  It sends a message if nothing else.

My immediate question going forward is, will Trump be removed from office in the next couple days?  I think they could, and actually have bi-partisan support.

On the one hand, it just gives him one more perceived injustice against him to rail and riot about.  On the other hand, he is a traitorous megalomaniacal psychopath who is wholly unfit for office.

[Eleven]

16 minutes ago, Curt said:

I do complement Congress for getting back to work this evening and finishing this thing, instead of doing it tomorrow or something.  It sends a message if nothing else.

My immediate question going forward is, will Trump be removed from office in the next couple days?  I think they could, and actually have bi-partisan support.

On the one hand, it just gives him one more perceived injustice against him to rail and riot about.  On the other hand, he is a traitorous megalomaniacal psychopath who is wholly unfit for office.

Since Election Day, @SABRES 0311 has been telling us that this will be a peaceful transition as long as there is no fraud.  There never has been any fraud.  There never has been anything close to it.  I leave it to him to ensure the peaceful transition that he promised.  Nice job so far.

[drnkirishone]

2 hours ago, Curt said:

I do complement Congress for getting back to work this evening and finishing this thing, instead of doing it tomorrow or something.  It sends a message if nothing else.

My immediate question going forward is, will Trump be removed from office in the next couple days?  I think they could, and actually have bi-partisan support.

On the one hand, it just gives him one more perceived injustice against him to rail and riot about.  On the other hand, he is a traitorous megalomaniacal psychopath who is wholly unfit for office.

of course not. the republican party is spineless when it comes to him. He deserves to spend the rest of his short life in jail. But that also won't happen. The idea of questioning all perspective 2024 republican nominees on pardoning him was already underway.

if he is removed it will be along party lines just like the last impeachment, so no not happening