Donald J Trump, your thoughts on his Presidency

[Weave]

8 hours ago, Hank said:

I hope so. Recessions are yard sales for the well prepared. 

Spoken lime someone with a guaranteed government check every month.

[LGR4GM]

for a guy that his defenders claim loves free speech, he sure doesn't act like it

 

[Demoted]

On 11/17/2024 at 11:14 AM, LGR4GM said:

for a guy that his defenders claim loves free speech, he sure doesn't act like it

 

Free speech is subjective to if the individual likes it or not in today's world.

 

If they agree with it free speech

If they don't agree it's blasphemous and free speech be damned.

Edited November 19 by Demoted

[K-9]

Elon Musk needs to go away. After warning us that many will suffer “temporary hardship” he announced intentions to slash $2T in spending. That’s TRILLION with a T. I imagine it will be programs that millions depend on but not a dime to his government teet contracts. Must be nice to be a billionaire 200 times over without a money worry to be able to determine what’s right for people who depend on government programs. 

F off and die, Musk, you fascist pig. 

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Elon Musk needs to go away. After warning us that many will suffer “temporary hardship” he announced intentions to slash $2T in spending. That’s TRILLION with a T. I imagine it will be programs that millions depend on but not a dime to his government teet contracts. Must be nice to be a billionaire 200 times over without a money worry to be able to determine what’s right for people who depend on government programs. 

F off and die, Musk, you fascist pig. 

The bold is a little crazy.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said:

The bold is a little crazy.

When I’m as crazy as that Ahole I’ll worry about it. 

[SABRES 0311]

Here’s a potential list of budget cuts. It does get into specific sections of the agencies other than NASA (bonuses) and public broadcasting (PBS/NPR.

I think a lot of people regardless of political leaning support less spending. The disagreement is usually where.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseychoo/2024/11/26/elon-musk-doge-takes-aim-federal-agencies-where-cuts-can-be-made/

I don’t think this warrants “F off and die, Musk, you fascist pig”. A few months ago the comment was made to turn the military on politicians.

Free speech is free speech but someone repeatedly advocating for death and violence against people of different political leanings is not good. Especially following two assassination attempts. One could argue that continuing to post that stuff in here raises flags on the user and potentially the site.

[JujuFish]

5 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

A few months ago the comment was made to turn the military on politicians.

Oh, you mean Trump's comments on using the military against the enemy from within? The same Trump who called Schiff and Pelosi enemies from within, ergo advocating using the military on politicians? My boy, that wasn't months ago; it was last month.

[SABRES 0311]

19 hours ago, JujuFish said:

Oh, you mean Trump's comments on using the military against the enemy from within? The same Trump who called Schiff and Pelosi enemies from within, ergo advocating using the military on politicians? My boy, that wasn't months ago; it was last month.

No I'm talking about the advocating for violence on this board. 

My boy.

[JujuFish]

13 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

No I'm talking about the advocating for violence on this board. 

My boy.

Oh yes, I know. My point is that every accusation is a confession when it comes to Trumpers.

[SABRES 0311]

4 hours ago, JujuFish said:

Oh yes, I know. My point is that every accusation is a confession when it comes to Trumpers.

So what am I confessing to? Sounds like you are trying to enable another poster’s violent rhetoric on a hockey site. Eventually it gets caught or reported.

[LTS]

I don't recall the military comment from months ago and I'm not going to go looking for it.

F off and die?  I'm pretty sure I was told that more than once in my life. I never felt threatened by it. It's mildly more threatening than Go F yourself. I feel like calling that out as a threat of violence is quite a stretch.  Hell, my teenage daughter's routine response to my Dad jokes is "Die. Just Die." I don't really think she means it, nor do I think she's going to kill me.

And Musk is a absolute lunatic, his outward persona reeks of an unstable mind.

[JujuFish]

19 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

So what am I confessing to? Sounds like you are trying to enable another poster’s violent rhetoric on a hockey site. Eventually it gets caught or reported.

Is this a serious question?

[SABRES 0311]

9 hours ago, LTS said:

I don't recall the military comment from months ago and I'm not going to go looking for it.

F off and die?  I'm pretty sure I was told that more than once in my life. I never felt threatened by it. It's mildly more threatening than Go F yourself. I feel like calling that out as a threat of violence is quite a stretch.  Hell, my teenage daughter's routine response to my Dad jokes is "Die. Just Die." I don't really think she means it, nor do I think she's going to kill me.

And Musk is an absolute lunatic, his outward persona reeks of an unstable mind.

Your analogy is not the same. Politics in the U.S. have become so emotionally charged that we just had two assassination attempts against a then presidential candidate. During Trumps previous administration there were a lot of contentious conversations I was a part of but I don’t remember people expressing their wish for someone to die.

Excusing it now invites future rhetoric. If you’re willing to accept the level it’s at now then fine. I’m telling you though, if you don’t keep an eye on it the wrong people will start looking at this place from the outside.

[K-9]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:01 PM, SABRES 0311 said:

Here’s a potential list of budget cuts. It does get into specific sections of the agencies other than NASA (bonuses) and public broadcasting (PBS/NPR.

I think a lot of people regardless of political leaning support less spending. The disagreement is usually where.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseychoo/2024/11/26/elon-musk-doge-takes-aim-federal-agencies-where-cuts-can-be-made/

I don’t think this warrants “F off and die, Musk, you fascist pig”. A few months ago the comment was made to turn the military on politicians.

Free speech is free speech but someone repeatedly advocating for death and violence against people of different political leanings is not good. Especially following two assassination attempts. One could argue that continuing to post that stuff in here raises flags on the user and potentially the site.

Per the bold text, I assume the “someone” you’re referring to is me. Respectfully, it’s a crock of crap as I’ve never advocated for violence against anyone in this or any other forum. 

“F off and die” is an old saying and was very popular in the 70s. There were even t shirts with the saying on it. It’s simply a way of expressing extreme displeasure with someone. 

And the issue with Musk, Trump, and others isn’t about simply disagreeing on politics; far from it. They are a very clear and present danger to our constitution, our representative republic, and our democracy. Project 2025 is a fascist manifesto and I suggest you read it and then study similar writings from politicians in Germany, Italy, and Spain in the 20s and 30s. 

In the meantime, put me on “ignore” because I’m sure you’ll misconstrue and overreact to things I may post in the future. 
 

 

[SABRES 0311]

3 hours ago, K-9 said:

Per the bold text, I assume the “someone” you’re referring to is me. Respectfully, it’s a crock of crap as I’ve never advocated for violence against anyone in this or any other forum. 

“F off and die” is an old saying and was very popular in the 70s. There were even t shirts with the saying on it. It’s simply a way of expressing extreme displeasure with someone. 

And the issue with Musk, Trump, and others isn’t about simply disagreeing on politics; far from it. They are a very clear and present danger to our constitution, our representative republic, and our democracy. Project 2025 is a fascist manifesto and I suggest you read it and then study similar writings from politicians in Germany, Italy, and Spain in the 20s and 30s. 

In the meantime, put me on “ignore” because I’m sure you’ll misconstrue and overreact to things I may post in the future. 
 

 

I don’t put anyone on ignore. IMO you  use this forum as an outlet for expressing emotional immaturity. It’s like 2016 all over again but it seems like you missed the last four years. Ukraine firing U.S. ICBMs into Russia and an Afghanistan withdrawal that was questionable at best just to start.

Edited November 30 by SABRES 0311

[LTS]

21 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Your analogy is not the same. Politics in the U.S. have become so emotionally charged that we just had two assassination attempts against a then presidential candidate. During Trumps previous administration there were a lot of contentious conversations I was a part of but I don’t remember people expressing their wish for someone to die.

Excusing it now invites future rhetoric. If you’re willing to accept the level it’s at now then fine. I’m telling you though, if you don’t keep an eye on it the wrong people will start looking at this place from the outside.

Who are these "wrong people"?  What is this future doom you are portending?

We're not going to sanitize all speech so that no phrase could be misconstrued as calling for violence against political officials right?  If we did then we should probably look down on Musk as he did openly comment after one of those assassination attempts in question that "no one is even trying to assassinate" Biden or Harris.

I'm not real sure where Ukraine and Afghanistan fit into this conversation. As far as I know those aren't pertinent to the discussion of "what constitutes a phrase as advocating for violence against a politician?"

Neither of those events have anything to do with someone indirectly saying about Musk "F off and die".  At least I can't see the connection.  Is there one or are you just adding other events in some strange attempt to legitimize your position on advocating violence against politicians?

 

 

[SABRES 0311]

26 minutes ago, LTS said:

Who are these "wrong people"?  What is this future doom you are portending?

We're not going to sanitize all speech so that no phrase could be misconstrued as calling for violence against political officials right?  If we did then we should probably look down on Musk as he did openly comment after one of those assassination attempts in question that "no one is even trying to assassinate" Biden or Harris.

I'm not real sure where Ukraine and Afghanistan fit into this conversation. As far as I know those aren't pertinent to the discussion of "what constitutes a phrase as advocating for violence against a politician?"

Neither of those events have anything to do with someone indirectly saying about Musk "F off and die".  At least I can't see the connection.  Is there one or are you just adding other events in some strange attempt to legitimize your position on advocating violence against politicians?

 

 

I’m not even saying I agree with everything Trump says or does. I’m not defending or arguing against the points. But to say F off and die towards political opponents is ok because it was cool decades ago or it’s something your family says ignores the sociopolitical environment of the present.

Oh look, CNN reporting bomb threats against lawmakers. FBI investigating it as a coordinated effort. Add that to two assassination attempts. Do you really think the emotional overreaction people have to politics doesn’t play a part?

BTW, as this stuff continues to happen the people who look into it tend to look at message boards saying that kind of stuff. Typically the “wrong people” you want lurking.

For the Russia/Afghanistan comment, it’s weird that nobody got overly emotional concerning those issues but the idea of cutting funding to some agencies warrants F off and die.

My point to all of this is common sense would dictate this isn’t the right time to say F off and die in response to politics on an open Internet forum.There are other ways to articulate the same points without the outburst.

I’ll leave it at that. If you and the people responsible for this site think it’s fine, then fine. 

[LTS]

15 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I’m not even saying I agree with everything Trump says or does. I’m not defending or arguing against the points. But to say F off and die towards political opponents is ok because it was cool decades ago or it’s something your family says ignores the sociopolitical environment of the present.

Oh look, CNN reporting bomb threats against lawmakers. FBI investigating it as a coordinated effort. Add that to two assassination attempts. Do you really think the emotional overreaction people have to politics doesn’t play a part?

BTW, as this stuff continues to happen the people who look into it tend to look at message boards saying that kind of stuff. Typically the “wrong people” you want lurking.

For the Russia/Afghanistan comment, it’s weird that nobody got overly emotional concerning those issues but the idea of cutting funding to some agencies warrants F off and die.

My point to all of this is common sense would dictate this isn’t the right time to say F off and die in response to politics on an open Internet forum.There are other ways to articulate the same points without the outburst.

I’ll leave it at that. If you and the people responsible for this site think it’s fine, then fine. 

I think overly emotional people have existed forever and that they will take action regardless of message boards. I'm pretty certain when they talk about the enabling of violent action from message boards they are not targeting a message board dedicated to a recently repeatedly pathetic hockey club.

Assassinations attempts and successes, bomb threats and successes, etc. all happen throughout history. Hearing about them more does not mean it's happening more often but that it makes for good news at the time.

I'm not dismissing them as acceptable. Personalities that are prone to making violent or extremist statements, such as Trump or Musk, are also more prone to invoking Newton's Third Law of Politics. Some people I know made comments about Trump's first assassination attempt that I never guessed would have come out of their mouths. No message board drove them to that, it's the very nature of how strongly they object to Trump and his persona.

I suppose the way I see it, in the end, is that "F off and Die" is more akin to saying "I wish such and such didn't exist" versus "I wish someone would kill such and such"

 

 

 

 

[JujuFish]

If Musk is successful at one thing, I hope it's getting the Republican party off this obsession with oil. It is extremely irresponsible to not diversify and plan for the future. The US does not have the oil reserves that many other countries do and we're drilling more than anyone else, meaning we'll run out even sooner than other countries with major reserves.

[SABRES 0311]

22 minutes ago, JujuFish said:

If Musk is successful at one thing, I hope it's getting the Republican party off this obsession with oil. It is extremely irresponsible to not diversify and plan for the future. The US does not have the oil reserves that many other countries do and we're drilling more than anyone else, meaning we'll run out even sooner than other countries with major reserves.

I agree. Alternative energy sources seem like a smart move. Aside from running out of oil someday, alternatives could have far reaching future positives. First thing that comes to mind is space exploration. You’re not getting humans out of the solar system on current liquid fuel sources.

Presently, much of the world’s oil comes from a very disputed region of the world. Viable, low cost, mass produced sources would probably have an impact on conflicts in that region. 

[SABRES 0311]

And Biden pardons his son even though he said he wouldn’t. 😂 

Trump also pardoned his so -in-law’s dad. 
 

Wish I had that literal get out of jail free card.

Edited December 2 by SABRES 0311

[Weave]

13 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

And Biden pardons his son even though he said he wouldn’t. 😂 

Trump also pardoned his so -in-law’s dad. 
 

Wish I had that literal get out of jail free card.

Genuinely disappointed by this.  
 

I don’t know why I am disappointed.  If a convicted felon can be elected President, why can’t a President pardon his convicted felon son?

[LTS]

2 hours ago, Weave said:

Genuinely disappointed by this.  
 

I don’t know why I am disappointed.  If a convicted felon can be elected President, why can’t a President pardon his convicted felon son?

It just confirms what everyone should already take to heart.

A politician has no morals and should never be expected to stick to their word.  He said he would not do it, but now he has. I really wonder if he would have done it if Harris had won the election.

In my opinion he's completely de-legitimized himself. Not that I had a high opinion of him to begin with, but have some backbone and stick to your word. Your kid F'ed up and should pay the price.

 

[Hank]

Pardoning him is one thing, but you have to ask why the pardon covers a period of eleven years. You also have to wonder if it could have unintended consequences. I believe if Hunter has immunity he loses his 5th amendment rights. I don't think this is over.