UPDATE: Sam Reinhart signs 2-year extension -- $3.65MM per year

[Drunkard]

So what would an 8 year deal for Reinhart look like at this point? Would it take $50 million ($6.25 aav). Could we get him cheaper or with the increase in cap would we have to go even higher?

[LGR4GM]

I would guess an 8yr deal would put him at or above that 6.25aav. I think he scored 38pts in his last 43 games. That's roughly a 72.5 point pace over 82 games. You probably figure in reality that he comes in below that total but 6.25aav for say 65 points is pretty good. Would be 7.8% of your cap. Eichel is currently getting 12.5% of the cap in his first year of the new deal. 

[Hoss]

I like Sam and hate to do this but I’m getting memories of Cody Hodgson’s six year deal.

[Scottysabres]

I wonder if Sam's agent is waiting on Nylander up in Toronto to sign to get a number gauged on Sam's worth.

[sabills]

13 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Its why I wish we had some decent wingers for him and Jack.

Sheary should be kinda fun with them.

[LGR4GM]

59 minutes ago, Hoss said:

I like Sam and hate to do this but I’m getting memories of Cody Hodgson’s six year deal.

Hodgson had a major health issues develop though. 

[Randall Flagg]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

I would guess an 8yr deal would put him at or above that 6.25aav. I think he scored 38pts in his last 43 games. That's roughly a 72.5 point pace over 82 games. You probably figure in reality that he comes in below that total but 6.25aav for say 65 points is pretty good. Would be 7.8% of your cap. Eichel is currently getting 12.5% of the cap in his first year of the new deal. 

I don't think they use teammates' percentage of cap as bargaining chips, they use other contracts signed around the league by similar players. It won't matter what Jack had signed three years ago, it'll matter what the 60 point winger signed for in the offseason two seasons from now.

[dudacek]

The contract that bears watching is Hertl’s in San Jose.

He’s two years older and two years more experienced. He got 5.6 over four - two RFA years and two UFA years.

Sam’s worst season is 42 points. Hertl’s best is 46.

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

The contract that bears watching is Hertl’s in San Jose.

He’s two years older and two years more experienced. He got 5.6 over four - two RFA years and two UFA years.

Sam’s worst season is 42 points. Hertl’s best is 46.

It's amazing how good Reinhart actually could be. 

[Drunkard]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I would guess an 8yr deal would put him at or above that 6.25aav. I think he scored 38pts in his last 43 games. That's roughly a 72.5 point pace over 82 games. You probably figure in reality that he comes in below that total but 6.25aav for say 65 points is pretty good. Would be 7.8% of your cap. Eichel is currently getting 12.5% of the cap in his first year of the new deal. 

I think I'd roll the dice and offer him the 8 year deal at $50 million. If he takes it, great. If he balks I'd possibly push it up to a max of 8 years at $54 million ($6.75 million aav) but no higher. At that point I'd bridge him to a 2 or 3 year at $4+ million to get him into camp.

[Huckleberry]

7 hours ago, sabills said:

Sheary should be kinda fun with them.

Yeah but you got me wrong, I want Sam to have his own line.   the guy is a beast in offensive zone possesion.

He just needs finishers and guys with some forechecking speed.

[LGR4GM]

I'd make Sam earn it. 8 year deal, earn it. 

[dudacek]

What do we think of a Sam, Kyle, Casey line?

[WildCard]

6 minutes ago, dudacek said:

What do we think of a Sam, Kyle, Casey line?

Doesn't look like we ever really tried it last season

Edited July 9, 2018 by WildCard

[Thorner]

10 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I would guess an 8yr deal would put him at or above that 6.25aav. I think he scored 38pts in his last 43 games. That's roughly a 72.5 point pace over 82 games. You probably figure in reality that he comes in below that total but 6.25aav for say 65 points is pretty good. Would be 7.8% of your cap. Eichel is currently getting 12.5% of the cap in his first year of the new deal. 

Nik Ehlers just signed for 7 years x 6 mil per in Winnipeg. Reinhart has produced less. I don't see why Reinhart should make a 6.25 AAV and will be disappointed if he gets that. 

53 minutes ago, dudacek said:

What do we think of a Sam, Kyle, Casey line?

Who plays left wing? Casey?

[dudacek]

22 minutes ago, Thorny said:

 

Who plays left wing? Casey?

Hell of a question. 

Probably, but I suspect Kyle is the best faceoff guy of the bunch.

As a sheltered 2nd line, they have the potential to create some offence.

Edited July 10, 2018 by dudacek

[North Buffalo]

ERod seems to have some faceoff skill, but bet he play with Jack... maybe with Tage

[Hoss]

If I see the word sheltered one more time I might do a backflip off the peace bridge. Also, Mittelstadt is a Center who will play center.

[Thorner]

11 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Hell of a question. 

Probably, but I suspect Kyle is the best faceoff guy of the bunch.

As a sheltered 2nd line, the have the potential to create some offence.

Oh man. This has got to be true, right?

Ok, I need to see a line of: Mittelstadt - Okposo - Reinhart 

...The two would-be centres flanking the seemingly over-paid would-be winger who excels at Centre, ala 2017/18 Blake Wheeler?

Take my Early Bird price $200, Rogers NHL Gamecentre Live!

?

Edited July 10, 2018 by Thorny

[erickompositör72]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I'd make Sam earn it. 8 year deal, earn it. 

not for nothing, but that sounds more like the mindset of a parent than a savvy GM...

[dudacek]

8 minutes ago, Hoss said:

If I see the word sheltered one more time I might do a backflip off the peace bridge. Also, Mittelstadt is a Center who will play center.

Just a trigger word, or you are OK with those three lining up against scoring lines?

Also, Casey played a fair amount of wing for the US national program. Sam Reinhart never played wing until he met Dan Bylsma.

[Thorner]

15 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Just a trigger word, or you are OK with those three lining up against scoring lines?

Also, Casey played a fair amount of wing for the US national program. Sam Reinhart never played wing until he met Dan Bylsma.

Mostly true, but I distincly remember in his draft year hearing about how Sam played a fair bit Right Wing in junior. If I recall correctly, a couple draft sites even had him listed as a C/RW. 

https://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2014/6/13/5804992/nhl-mock-draft-2014-sam-reinhart-calgary-flames-nhl-mock-draft-2014

That is an article from Sam's draft year that mentions his ability to play right wing. Not the best example, but I thought the write-up on Sam as a prospect was very interesting, reading again now. A lot of what they talk about is really starting to manifest in the NHL, it makes me optimistic some of the other positive things mentioned - that haven't quite come to pass yet - still could be developing, given his age. 

Edited July 10, 2018 by Thorny

[pi2000]

You can't figure out linemates by looking at a chart.  Is all about chemistry, meshing well, having a sense for where your linemates are on the ice.   A chart can't tell you that.   

[SwampD]

12 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

You can't figure out linemates by looking at a chart.  Is all about chemistry, meshing well, having a sense for where your linemates are on the ice.   A chart can't tell you that.   

I absolutely believe this.

 

Or rather, I believe this absolutely.

Edited July 10, 2018 by SwampD

[LGR4GM]

48 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said:

not for nothing, but that sounds more like the mindset of a parent than a savvy GM...

What player have we given a long term deal too that's panned out?