apuszczalowski Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Well he wants players that fit in his core. Go trade those picks for someone in the 20-22 age group Except that no one is trading those guys away for more picks, they want good players........ If its age that he cares about, might as well get on the Phone for Duclair and Yakupov as they fit the age........ Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 I think the timeline is affected but I don't think changing the timeline was the driver here. I think getting rid of a malcontent was the driver for this move, and JB decided he had to do it. Maybe. I hope he's right, regardless of motive. What else can I do at this point? Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Maybe. I hope he's right, regardless of motive. What else can I do at this point?Drink Quote
That Aud Smell Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 What good is a multi billionaire owner if the directive to win is never given. I understand people wanting to see a winner, but this doesn’t wash. Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Someone just starting a rebuild? Vancouver seems like a solid choice. Detroit too But if they are just starting a rebuild, they aren't giving up 22-24 year olds, they are keeping them and dumping older veterans for picks..... Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Drink Oh, I am. Blies ownership gave a directive to get better whatever the cost. We are perpetually rebuilding. What good is a multi billionaire owner if the directive to win is never given. How quickly we forget Ville Leino and Christian Ehrhoff! :p There is no evidence in ANY of the teams they own that the Pegula's have the slightest f'ing clue what they are doing. I mean, I think it was non-repeatable luck, but the Bills did break the drought. Quote
slugspirit Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 We aren't. The two players we got cost 7.2 mil and change. And they're "affordable" thanks to STL picking up ROR's bonus. Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Yes, but it would be much easier to part with our pick for an established player like that knowing that we have at least one, and maybe two, other first round picks to pocket But you would be giving up a pick mostly likey one of the better chances at next years #1, to get Nylander just because you have 2 late 1st rounders? Quote
Brawndo Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 And they're "affordable" thanks to STL picking up ROR's bonus. Who pays the bonus is irrelevant to the cap. The Blues get the cap hit either way Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 And they're "affordable" thanks to STL picking up ROR's bonus.What? Idk what this even means. Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) Teams are allowed to negotiate compensation or take the prescribed picks based on the sheet. Nobody has signed a sheet since ROR in 2013. God willing someone will sheet both Marner AND Mathews and really F the Leafs over. Maybe that's where Bergevin gets his centre. Lol. I highly doubt the Leafs let either of them reach a point where they can be offer sheeted....... If they are going to negotiate the compensation, it would be a trade for their rights, and I doubt Toronto is dumb enough to move either of them for the later picks Buffalo will have to offer in the 1st Any GM looking at making a move with the Sabres is going to ask for their pick first cause thats the valuable assett. Edited July 2, 2018 by apuszczalowski Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Completely by accident. When you bench your QB on the road to start an immobile 5th round pick against the team with the best pass rush in football and you trade your only run stuffing DT for a 6th round pick you arent trying to win. That was an accident and they are going to crater HARD this year. Culture my ass.... are you actually complaining about trading Dareus? Come on now Quote
slugspirit Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Who pays the bonus is irrelevant to the cap. The Blues get the cap hit either way Not looking at it from a cap perspective. He was asking why we should care about STL picking up ROR's bonus. I know it doesn't affect the salary cap. Quote
jad1 Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 So Botterill has I agree, but it's probable St. Louis wasn't moving Thomas or Kyrou. Botterill could have said F it then, but I think he was dead set on moving the timeline. I don't think he got swindled at the poker table here, I just think his perspective on the rebuild is considerably different than many of ours. Well he better explain his perspective to the fans then, because with what Toronto and Vegas have done in the league, his perspective makes no sense. Botterill talked a good game about waiting for the right deal with Kane and O'Reilly, but when it comes right down to it, he traded over 100 points for a bunch of nothing. He needs to convince the fans that this was the "right" deal he's been bragging about, because right now, it looks like this roster is going to set more records for futility. Quote
That Aud Smell Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 I know little or nothing about the assets coming in, but, in theory, I think the deal is ... okay and has real potential to work out. I mean, it’s established that JBOT was resolved to move ROR. And I’ll trust the determination that was made to inform that decision. Once that train leaves the station and is on the tracks, you just gotta do the best you can. A couple of (hopefully) solid NHLers, a prospect with upside, and 2 decent picks. All in exchange for a player they’d decided they *had* to move. Onward. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 Not looking at it from a cap perspective. He was asking why we should care about STL picking up ROR's bonus. I know it doesn't affect the salary cap.No, you claimed we were saving money. How? We're basically paying the same accept to 2 players instead of 1. Quote
SDS Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/martybiron43/status/1013606383726612480?s=21 I agree with Marty. I think there may be some overvaluation here to amplify any disappointment. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/martybiron43/status/1013606383726612480?s=21 I agree with Marty. I think there may be some overvaluation here to amplify any disappointment. Or a team claiming to want to get faster traded for a slow 20 yr rw... *insert that gif of Snape shrugging here*see it's funny. If they HADN'T traded him away maybe Blake ###### Bortles doesn't run all over the field in the playoff game they accidentally made and maybe McCoy would actually have had some room to run. They weren't TRYING to win last year they were trying to build "culture" and sculpt the roster. They made the playoffs out of sheer luckThey lost that game because their offensive coordinator was absolute dogshit and because tyrod isn't good. Quote
slugspirit Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 What? Idk what this even means. The Sabres saved $7.5M in overall spending money today by getting rid of ROR's bonus. They brought in close to the same amount in salaries in the trade. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/martybiron43/status/1013606383726612480?s=21 I agree with Marty. I think there may be some overvaluation here to amplify any disappointment. And I think there may be some mental gymnastics going on to justify a bad trade. Time will tell. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 https://giphy.com/gifs/rip-alan-rickman-he-will-be-missed-fKk2I5iiWGN0I Quote
That Aud Smell Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/martybiron43/status/1013606383726612480?s=21 I agree with Marty. I think there may be some overvaluation here to amplify any disappointment. His take borders on incoherent, though. ROR doesn’t compare with Kopitar or Bergeron? Umm, ok. Quote
apuszczalowski Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 depending on the price why would you not at this point? seriously, neither can possibly be expensive or demanding long term. Because both have been know to be locker room issues that actually outway their talent Quote
jad1 Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/martybiron43/status/1013606383726612480?s=21 I agree with Marty. I think there may be some overvaluation here to amplify any disappointment. I agree with Marty that ROR would be a great 3rd line center, and with what Toronto did today, that would have been worth his salary the next few years. Average O'Reilly's and Mittlestadt's salaries for the 2nd and 3rd centers, and even with ROR slotted at the 3rd center, the Sabres would still be getting a bargain. Quote
Robviously Posted July 2, 2018 Report Posted July 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/martybiron43/status/1013606383726612480?s=21 I agree with Marty. I think there may be some overvaluation here to amplify any disappointment. It's worth pointing out again -- literally no one was raving about how much they loved ROR during the season. But suddenly he became the god of 2-way centers when he threw a temper tantrum on locker clean-out day. And if the guy was openly being a PITA in the room, he had to go. Enough already. Quote
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