TheAud Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) I’m not trying to say Alex is as good as Casey, I am trying to say there has been a narrative built around each player based on a limited picture. With Alex it was the fact he was overmatched as an 18-year-old AHLer and benched in the playoffs last year. With Casey it was a flashy development camp cemented by a great, high-profile WJC. People tend to ignore the fact Casey’s numbers weren’t overwhelming in college, and that Alex had a pretty good second half coming off an injury in Rochester. Their overall bodies of work aren’t that different, especially considering they are of an age. In other words you're making an argument based on the demonstrated performance data as opposed to narrative and opinion. Opinions may currently be 10:1 that Casey is a better player. And opinions matter. But a space alien coming to Earth and looking at their stats and performance would say "they're not that much different". Except that Casey resembles them a bit. Edited June 28, 2018 by Sakman
Weave Posted June 28, 2018 Report Posted June 28, 2018 I’m not trying to say Alex is as good as Casey, I am trying to say there has been a narrative built around each player based on a limited picture. With Alex it was the fact he was overmatched as an 18-year-old AHLer and benched in the playoffs last year. With Casey it was a flashy development camp cemented by a great, high-profile WJC. People tend to ignore the fact Casey’s numbers weren’t overwhelming in college, and that Alex had a pretty good second half coming off an injury in Rochester. Their overall bodies of work aren’t that different, especially considering they are of an age. If you recall, Alex’s second half featured fewer than a handful of primary assists. He was not good down the stretch.
The Jokeman Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 Let him start the season in Rochester and hopefully call him up to get 30 games in with the Sabres.
inkman Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) If you recall, Alex’s second half featured fewer than a handful of primary assists. He was not good down the stretch. Yeah he was on a stacked roster riding the coattails of Colin Blackwell and the like. Edited June 29, 2018 by inkman
Amerks8796 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 If you recall, Alex’s second half featured fewer than a handful of primary assists. He was not good down the stretch.He was not good at all. He piled up a bunch of secondary assists and people used that to push the narrative that was turning the corner or playing well. Reality is he was a drag on the team mostly all year. And Taylor didn’t really punish him for it until the games truly mattered. The Amerks had a playoff spot locked up well in advance. The games weren’t all that meaningful. Once they were, it didn’t take long at all to be benched. He couldn’t handle the intensity of the playoffs.
inkman Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 He was not good at all. He piled up a bunch of secondary assists and people used that to push the narrative that was turning the corner or playing well. Reality is he was a drag on the team mostly all year. And Taylor didn’t really punish him for it until the games truly mattered. The Amerks had a playoff spot locked up well in advance. The games weren’t all that meaningful. Once they were, it didn’t take long at all to be benched. He couldn’t handle the intensity of the playoffs. Propping him up after that 2nd half smoke and mirror show would be wise and move him now while he still had a tiny bit of value.
Ogre Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 He was not good at all. He piled up a bunch of secondary assists and people used that to push the narrative that was turning the corner or playing well. Reality is he was a drag on the team mostly all year. And Taylor didn’t really punish him for it until the games truly mattered. The Amerks had a playoff spot locked up well in advance. The games weren’t all that meaningful. Once they were, it didn’t take long at all to be benched. He couldn’t handle the intensity of the playoffs. He was even worse than Grigs. I’ve seen enough. I’ll hope he improves but expect the same. I like what you said about the weeds on the perimeter. That’s where he’s established his reputation. Is he suddenly going to grow a set and dive in the pile? I highly doubt it. Propping him up after that 2nd half smoke and mirror show would be wise and move him now while he still had a tiny bit of value. That’s about all we can expect to wring out of this first rounder.
stuuuuuuuuu Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) Secondary assists can be indicative of smart puck movement and springing teammates for scoring chances They can also be indicative of absolutely nothing. I would need to watch the tape before completely writing them off. Edited June 29, 2018 by Stu
inkman Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 Myself, Ogre, Amerks8796 saw him plenty. Bum. We all agree. Get him outta here.
Amerks8796 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 Secondary assists can be indicative of smart puck movement and springing teammates for scoring chances They can also be indicative of absolutely nothing. I would need to watch the tape before completely writing them off. In his case, the latter. Keith from Let’s Go Amerks went back and looked at a lot of those assists and found they were mostly nothing.
Huckleberry Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 Kid will be traded along with O'Reilly I think :(
pi2000 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 Kid will be traded along with O'Reilly I think :( They shoud've traded him last year in the Summer while he still had some value. Another year of underachievement last season and he's virtually worthless right now. I blame JBOT for not being more active last summer and getting some return for these clowns (Nylander, Larsson, Girgensons, Bogo, etc..) while they still had some value.
Randall Flagg Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 People watch Casey too, and couldn't come away saying things that are further apart than this consensus among Rochester faithful.
LGR4GM Posted June 29, 2018 Report Posted June 29, 2018 I'm willing to give nylander this year to put it together.
LikeEich Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 They shoud've traded him last year in the Summer while he still had some value. Another year of underachievement last season and he's virtually worthless right now. I blame JBOT for not being more active last summer and getting some return for these clowns (Nylander, Larsson, Girgensons, Bogo, etc..) while they still had some value. I could argue that none -especially if you exclude Nylander- of those guys had value last summer. Certainly BOGO. He had no value in wpg.
Huckleberry Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 I'm willing to give nylander this year to put it together. Same, last year with the injury really set him back. Still think he'll make a good middle six LW.
Neo Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 Interesting thought just occurred to me. Moving ROR could benefit Nylander mentally. Obviously it should have zero sway on Botterill and his attempts to better the team. But if ROR is traded, you’d have to think it would help Nylander. If I was constantly badgered by some a-hole, I wouldn’t wanna go hang out with his brother for the rest of my playing days. I must’ve dozed off ... I have no recollection of a Cal / Alex dust up ...
dudacek Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 I must’ve dozed off ... I have no recollection of a Cal / Alex dust up ... Alex was living with Cal in his rookie season. Apparently, rather than mentoring, Cal essentially ignored the kid or worse. Details are sparse but apparently it was the reason He was given away late in the year.
Neo Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 Alex was living with Cal in his rookie season. Apparently, rather than mentoring, Cal essentially ignored the kid or worse. Details are sparse but apparently it was the reason He was given away late in the year. Thanks!
Ho-Chi-Sock Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 From another Nylander Watch thread: https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/25517-alex-nylander-watch-thread-whats-up-with-him/?p=1017644 GMTM wanted him to have a similar experience that Jack did with Moulson. He arranged for Alex to live with the O’Reilly’s in Rochester last year. Apparently Alex did not have a drivers license and the he and his wife got sick of chauffeuring him around and really let him know that. In addition he was consistently tasked as one of designated individuals to clean the team bus after long road trips often at 2 or 3 in the morning. The reports were that Cal did very little to mentor him and adopted the IDGAF Attitude the rest of the Amerks Organization had and that Alex was adversely affected by this.
Taro T Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 Nylander was playing on Sweden's top line @ the WJC & he was clearly the coattail rider on the line. Mittelstadt made the US's top line click. Maybe Nylander ends up getting it. Wouldn't want to even have a buck down on that bet. He plays scared of contact.
French Collection Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 Nylander was playing on Sweden's top line @ the WJC & he was clearly the coattail rider on the line. Mittelstadt made the US's top line click. Maybe Nylander ends up getting it. Wouldn't want to even have a buck down on that bet. He plays scared of contact. Agree on Nylander at the U20, he was not the straw that stirs the drink. He was one of their top players but Sweden's coaches did not view him as their go-to guy.
dudacek Posted June 30, 2018 Report Posted June 30, 2018 I didn’t think Alex was good at the WJC last year, despite good numbers. The previous year however, he was excellent. I wonder if the injury was affecting him.
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