Reinhart vs RoR: Who do you value more?

[Randall Flagg]

I don't think RoR is necessarily going to fetch you a bigger package. A cap floor team looking for cost controlled youth, like the Hurricanes, would probably prefer Reinhart

In the specific example, though, Carolina would actually prefer ROR probably. After July 1, they owe him 25 mil over 5 years. If Reinhart does eventually become an ROR clone (far from a guarantee) it is almost a certainty that his cap hit and real dollars will end up costing Carolina more by the time it becomes a thing. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

If we trade ROR we should trade Samson also. They play great together. I’m not sure Samson would be a good fit w Casey or Jack long term.

Edited June 12, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN

[darksabre]

Fine then let's just say for the sake of it that Gary Bettman says you have to release one guy because I'm Gary Bettman and this is the NHL

Oooo interesting.

 

O'Reilly, purely for salary reasons.

[Randall Flagg]

Oooo interesting.

 

O'Reilly, purely for salary reasons.

If Sam develops the same impact as ROR he's going to cost more than ROR does

[GASabresIUFAN]

Oooo interesting.

 

O'Reilly, purely for salary reasons.

Also we haven’t seen the best of Samson yet and we exactly what ROR is.

[darksabre]

If Sam develops the same impact as ROR he's going to cost more than ROR does

Down the road, sure. I'm thinking about right now.

[Randall Flagg]

Down the road, sure. I'm thinking about right now.

Right now I can't imagine preferring Sam on a bridge deal to what ROR brings on his cap hit

 

Y'all just wait until Phil gets his head out of his ass and/or we finally get enough talent, ROR is going to stay right with Jack in the race to be this team's best player since Drury/Briere if not longer

[darksabre]

Right now I can't imagine preferring Sam on a bridge deal to what ROR brings on his cap hit

 

Y'all just wait until Phil gets his head out of his ass and/or we finally get enough talent, ROR is going to stay right with Jack in the race to be this team's best player since Drury/Briere if not longer

I would just use the salary from being forced to dump ROR to overpay some other center who is faster? It's a weird question.

[Randall Flagg]

I would just use the salary from being forced to dump ROR to overpay some other center who is faster? It's a weird question.

Completely valid, but it pains me so much to toss ROR with how much more he still had to give. 

[darksabre]

Completely valid, but it pains me so much to toss ROR with how much more he still had to give.

I agree.

[Radar]

Prefer? No contest if just objective observation.......ROR. He is simply the better player at this time. The polls question is much to simple. This is not would you trade one or the other. Who is the better player? ROR hands down. Age,salary etc.are variables but Sam at this point is not close to ROR as a player.

Edited June 12, 2018 by Radar

[Randall Flagg]

I just imagine what ROR's game looks like if he got to play on ROR's right wing. 

Because I know what lines like 

 

Kane - ROR - Okposo 

 

look like compared to 

Kane - Reinhart - Okposo. 

[Weave]

One of those two excels at both center and wing.

 

One of those two is widely considered one of the top defensive forwards in the league.

 

One of those two is consistently among the league faceoff leaders.

 

One of those two is regularly selected to represent their country in international play,

 

I don't see how the argument is even close.

[Winston]

I’ll take ROR. He’s valauble in all three facets. While I’m left wishing for more ES scoring, his defensive contributions are hard to overlook.

 

He’s just as productive on the PP as Sam.

 

He’s our #1 forward on the PK. Sam played all of 56 seconds short handed last year. And ROR doesn’t go to the box ever. He’s always available for the PK.

 

ROR won more faceoffs than the entire rest of our team combined. Let that sad yet impressive stat sink in.

 

Hate to say it, but Jack has missed a lot of time. Fingers crossed that two fluke injuries have used up a career’s worth of bad luck and he’s good from here on out. But if my #1 C goes down, I want a #2 C that I’m confident in. That’s ROR.

 

Oh forgot to mention shootouts- both Sam and ROR suck :P

Edited June 12, 2018 by EichSnipe

[TrueBlueGED]

One of those two excels at both center and wing.

 

One of those two is widely considered one of the top defensive forwards in the league.

 

One of those two is consistently among the league faceoff leaders.

 

One of those two is regularly selected to represent their country in international play,

 

I don't see how the argument is even close.

 

I continue to be flabbergasted by the apparent ease with which people are willing to part with O'Reilly.

[darksabre]

I continue to be flabbergasted by the apparent ease with which people are willing to part with O'Reilly.

Evidently people have forgotten the heady days of Derek Roy, Steve Ott, Cody Hodgson, Jochen Hecht, Tyler Ennis...

[Weave]

I continue to be flabbergasted by the apparent ease with which people are willing to part with O'Reilly.

 

In the context of this thread, I can't help but think it is nothing more than an emotional attachment to a Tankfruit.  We are so emotionally invested in the fruits of the tank that we can't put a player traded for above him in importance.

[WildCard]

In the context of this thread, I can't help but think it is nothing more than an emotional attachment to a Tankfruit. We are so emotionally invested in the fruits of the tank that we can't put a player traded for above him in importance.

He's younger, by 5 years. That is very significant for a team not even finished with a rebuild Edited June 13, 2018 by WildCard

[dudacek]

He's younger, by 5 years. That is very significant for a team not even finished with a rebuild

 

I grudgingly vote ROR, but people aren't giving this enough credence.

Next year is the year I make up my mind on Reinhart.

[TrueBlueGED]

He's younger, by 5 years. That is very significant for a team not even finished with a rebuild

 

The rebuild doesn't have to take the rest of O'Reilly's prime, but valuing Reinhart's age that heavily is a good way to fulfill that particular prophecy. 

[WildCard]

The rebuild doesn't have to take the rest of O'Reilly's prime, but valuing Reinhart's age that heavily is a good way to fulfill that particular prophecy.

Ohh no way buddy. Pretty sure you've advocated and shown a player's prime ends right about 28, which is next year for RoR ;) Edited June 13, 2018 by WildCard

[TrueBlueGED]

I grudgingly vote ROR, but people aren't giving this enough credence.

Next year is the year I make up my mind on Reinhart.

 

But in the hypothetical scenario here, we trade O'Reilly for the same package we could have gotten for Reinhart. By not making up your mind, you run a massive risk of Reinhart being who he has shown to be (a good 45-50 point winger) and no longer have O'Reilly.

[Weave]

The rebuild doesn't have to take the rest of O'Reilly's prime, but valuing Reinhart's age that heavily is a good way to fulfill that particular prophecy. 

 

Ed Zachary.

[WildCard]

But in the hypothetical scenario here, we trade O'Reilly for the same package we could have gotten for Reinhart. By not making up your mind, you run a massive risk of Reinhart being who he has shown to be (a good 45-50 point winger) and no longer have O'Reilly.

And you think that's what Reinhart ultimately ends up as? What's more likely: RoR ends up slipping from 60-65pts, aka out of his prime, or Reinhart hits his prime and goes up from 45-50pts? Reinhart's played his entire career on garbage teams, can O'Reilly say the same?

[TrueBlueGED]

Ohh no way buddy. Pretty sure you've advocated and shown a player's prime ends right about 28, which is next year for RoR ;)

 

Dudacek and I agreed on compromise language awhile back! A player peaks offensively around ~26, but their prime is longer than that. All hail Dudacek! :p