Sabre1974 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Posted July 6, 2018 19 hours ago, CallawaySabres said: Pretty sure I called this one before it was on the radar ? surprised he got a deal
WildCard Posted July 9, 2018 Author Report Posted July 9, 2018 @icemancometh #NHLDucks announce they will retire Paul Kariya's No. 9 jersey on Oct. 21 and Scott Niedermayer's No. 27 on Feb. 17 Ducks writer for the athletic
Hoss Posted July 9, 2018 Report Posted July 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, WildCard said: @icemancometh #NHLDucks announce they will retire Paul Kariya's No. 9 jersey on Oct. 21 and Scott Niedermayer's No. 27 on Feb. 17 Ducks writer for the athletic The team tweeted it: 1
Brawndo Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 Nitika Kucherov signs 8 year 9.5 Million AAV Extension with Tampa
WildCard Posted July 10, 2018 Author Report Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Nitika Kucherov signs 8 year 9.5 Million AAV Extension with Tampa Nobody on Tampa Bay deserves a Cup more than Stevie Y
LTS Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Nitika Kucherov signs 8 year 9.5 Million AAV Extension with Tampa Wow. I mean... they are going to be up against it in cap space. How could they possibly land Karlsson at this point? They don't have the space to add him at the moment... they only have $3.4M open. They have to move a salary or two. Unless the players with NTC/NMC waive or don't eliminate Ottawa as a landing spot they only players they can move are: Miller - $5.25M Gourde - $1M Paquette - $1M Point - $700k Andreoff - $700k Conacher - $700k Koekkoek - $865k Dotchin - $812k They would have to get super creative.. they aren't moving Miller after they just signed him are they? The rest of the players barely clear enough space if you move ALL Of them and then they don't have enough for a team.
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 CapFriendly @CapFriendly 7m7 minutes ago More #Lightning Nikita Kucherov breakdown $31.5 Base $44.5M SB 2019-20: $1M Base + $11M SB 2020-21: $4M Base + $5M SB 2021-22: $3.5M Base + $8.5M SB 2022-23: $4M Base + $5M SB 2023-24: $5M Base + $5M SB 2024-25: $5M Base + $4M SB 2025-26: $5M Base + $3M SB 2026-27: $4M Base + $3M SB
Hoss Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, LTS said: Wow. I mean... they are going to be up against it in cap space. How could they possibly land Karlsson at this point? They don't have the space to add him at the moment... they only have $3.4M open. They have to move a salary or two. Unless the players with NTC/NMC waive or don't eliminate Ottawa as a landing spot they only players they can move are: Miller - $5.25M Gourde - $1M Paquette - $1M Point - $700k Andreoff - $700k Conacher - $700k Koekkoek - $865k Dotchin - $812k They would have to get super creative.. they aren't moving Miller after they just signed him are they? The rest of the players barely clear enough space if you move ALL Of them and then they don't have enough for a team. All they’ve got to do is unload Callahan and they’re good for this offseason. It gets a little trickier next offseason, but they’ve got a few UFA defenseman coming off the books that they can replace with cheaper options. They’re working magic over there.
LTS Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hoss said: All they’ve got to do is unload Callahan and they’re good for this offseason. It gets a little trickier next offseason, but they’ve got a few UFA defenseman coming off the books that they can replace with cheaper options. They’re working magic over there. Callahan has a NMC/NTC - he has to provide 16 teams he's willing to be traded to. Do you think he's listing Ottawa as one of them? So, Callahan most likely has to go somewhere else and that team has to move players to Ottawa who are not protected. So, they've got to get very creative. At the same time, if they intend on keeping Karlsson they will have to get even more creative after this season. If they sign Karlsson to even a $10M contract their cap hits for the foreseeable future is about $56M for 11 players. 5 forwards, 4 defense, 2 goalies. Give them $24M to play with in the following year to sign another 10-12 players. Could be tough... not impossible, but it would be interesting. So, who will be the third party that can help facilitate this trade? My guess it has to be one or two of Callahan, Palat, Johnson, and Killorn that get moved. Curious how much overlap their list of teams they are willing to be traded to would be.
nucci Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, LTS said: Wow. I mean... they are going to be up against it in cap space. How could they possibly land Karlsson at this point? They don't have the space to add him at the moment... they only have $3.4M open. They have to move a salary or two. Unless the players with NTC/NMC waive or don't eliminate Ottawa as a landing spot they only players they can move are: Miller - $5.25M Gourde - $1M Paquette - $1M Point - $700k Andreoff - $700k Conacher - $700k Koekkoek - $865k Dotchin - $812k They would have to get super creative.. they aren't moving Miller after they just signed him are they? The rest of the players barely clear enough space if you move ALL Of them and then they don't have enough for a team. They'll be fine....they compete for the Cup every year. That's all that matters....we trade our players for draft picks
Hoss Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, LTS said: Callahan has a NMC/NTC - he has to provide 16 teams he's willing to be traded to. Do you think he's listing Ottawa as one of them? So, Callahan most likely has to go somewhere else and that team has to move players to Ottawa who are not protected. So, they've got to get very creative. At the same time, if they intend on keeping Karlsson they will have to get even more creative after this season. If they sign Karlsson to even a $10M contract their cap hits for the foreseeable future is about $56M for 11 players. 5 forwards, 4 defense, 2 goalies. Give them $24M to play with in the following year to sign another 10-12 players. Could be tough... not impossible, but it would be interesting. So, who will be the third party that can help facilitate this trade? My guess it has to be one or two of Callahan, Palat, Johnson, and Killorn that get moved. Curious how much overlap their list of teams they are willing to be traded to would be. Callahan to a third team is very likely but that team would not be giving value to Ottawa, they’d be receiving value in the deal. The Rangers have been mentioned a lot in getting Callahan back. Just kind of winging what the deal might look like: Tampa gets: Erik Karlsson Rangers get: Callahan, Tampa 2020 1st, maybe a mid-level prospect Ottawa gets: Anthony Cirelli, Cal Foote, Taylor Raddysh, Tampa 2019 first That’s probably not the package Ottawa gets because I think they’ll demand one of Point/Sergachev (and Tampa should be willing if that’s what gets the deal done). If it’s Point then take out Cirelli and Raddysh, if it’s Sergachev then take out Foote. I also imagine Ottawa will want a bigger pick haul than that.
WildCard Posted July 10, 2018 Author Report Posted July 10, 2018 @TheFourthPeriod Kucherov's $9.5M AAV in Florida is almost identical to making $12M in California or $11M in NY after state tax, or $10.9M in Ontario after provincial tax. I find this to be such bullsh!t. It feels like it allows Tampa and other teams in similar scenarios to play by a whole different set of rules
shrader Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 A 16 team list doesn't seem all that restrictive. So still has 14 out of 30 teams where he can be freely sent. They'll find a taker fairly easily if they need to.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, WildCard said: @TheFourthPeriod Kucherov's $9.5M AAV in Florida is almost identical to making $12M in California or $11M in NY after state tax, or $10.9M in Ontario after provincial tax. I find this to be such bullsh!t. It feels like it allows Tampa and other teams in similar scenarios to play by a whole different set of rules @TheFourthPeriod does not understand how the CBA treats the State / Provincial Income Tax issue. Am I doing that right, TrueBlue?
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, N S said: @TheFourthPeriod does not understand how the CBA treats the State / Provincial Income Tax issue. Am I doing that right, TrueBlue? Yea. If they were actually interested in journalism, they'd issue a correction or retract it entirely if they can't put a more accurate estimate out there.
erickompositör72 Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 Don't leave those of us who don't know in the dark- how does the CBA treat local income taxes?
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, WildCard said: @TheFourthPeriod Kucherov's $9.5M AAV in Florida is almost identical to making $12M in California or $11M in NY after state tax, or $10.9M in Ontario after provincial tax. I find this to be such bullsh!t. It feels like it allows Tampa and other teams in similar scenarios to play by a whole different set of rules I just can't believe Yzerman keeps getting his stars to sign for amounts obviously less than their market value. And we're not talking about $500k hometown discounts either. Hedman could have gotten Subban money on the open market, and Kucherov would have been around Tavares money. Unreal. Yzerman should win every executive of the year award until these contracts expire.
WildCard Posted July 10, 2018 Author Report Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, TrueBlueGED said: I just can't believe Yzerman keeps getting his stars to sign for amounts obviously less than their market value. And we're not talking about $500k hometown discounts either. Hedman could have gotten Subban money on the open market, and Kucherov would have been around Tavares money. Unreal. Yzerman should win every executive of the year award until these contracts expire. He's gotta be selling them on championships. Which is amazing because, well, they haven't won one yet, and he keeps selling them on it. It's not like these guys all get 3-4 year deals either, they all get long term 'we're here for the long haul' type investments
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 I think it has less to do with the taxes and more to do with where you are. Tampa. You get to go to the Arena in shorts and flip-flops for practice. Just now, WildCard said: He's gotta be selling them on championships. Which is amazing because, well, they haven't won one yet, and he keeps selling them on it. It's not like these guys all get 3-4 year deals either, they all get long term 'we're here for the long haul' type investments Also I think this too.
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said: Don't leave those of us who don't know in the dark- how does the CBA treat local income taxes? Non-bonus money gets paid by game, so the players pay the state income tax in the state that they play the game, regardless of which team they play for. So really, playing in a tax-free state impacts 41 games plus bonuses, not the entire contract value. Plus, that's not counting escrow in a given year and how much that impacts take home pay. And, of course, we all know that nearly nobody pays the top percentage because of deductions. As far as I can tell, all the Fourth Period did was compare state/Provincial tax and shave it off total contract value. So they put out a totally inaccurate number which exaggerates the differences. Edited July 10, 2018 by TrueBlueGED
shrader Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Non-bonus money gets paid by game, so the players pay the state income tax in the state that they play the game, regardless of which team they play for. So really, playing in a tax-free state impacts 41 games plus bonuses, not the entire contract value. Plus, that's not counting escrow in a given year and how much that impacts take home pay. And, of course, we all know that nearly nobody pays the top percentage because of deductions. As far as I can tell, all the Fourth Period did was compare state/Provincial tax and shave it off total contract value. So they put out a totally inaccurate number which exaggerates the differences. So then if it's a signing bonus heavy deal, that entire portion would fall under Florida's tax law?
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, shrader said: So then if it's a signing bonus heavy deal, that entire portion would fall under Florida's tax law? Yes. Edit: As an aside, I bet reigning in bonuses will be a topic during the next lockout. Edited July 10, 2018 by TrueBlueGED
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, TrueBlueGED said: Yes. Edit: As an aside, I bet reigning in bonuses will be a topic during the next lockout. They will make some rule where no more than 50% of your salary for a year can be paid out in bonuses and then we will have another lockout.
shrader Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 I'm not so sure either side would have any interest in changing anything. I don't really see anything that it would do other than balancing the playing field. Neither side really gains much from changing it. Does anyone have any idea what percentage of the players actually have these type of bonuses? If it's a very small number, there's not much sense in messing with it.
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2018 Report Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, shrader said: I'm not so sure either side would have any interest in changing anything. I don't really see anything that it would do other than balancing the playing field. Neither side really gains much from changing it. Does anyone have any idea what percentage of the players actually have these type of bonuses? If it's a very small number, there's not much sense in messing with it. Well, there was all the reporting around ROR before the trade about the role the bonus played in his market. Maybe it's a bunch of nonsense, but I'd imagine owners in smaller markets aren't a big fan. I don't think they're super common overall, but it seems they're becoming more frequent with newer contracts.
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