SABRES 0311 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Sabel79 said: Connor McDavid out here pretending he’s Radko Gudas... I’d say three games. First time offender? Any word on severity of injury? Two minute minor was a bad idea. Crosby got away with stuff early on and no doubt it contributed to other players targeting him. Just my opinion. Edited February 22, 2019 by SABRES 0311
Eleven Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 It's going to be a first-time offender warning. 1
dudacek Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 It also wasn't particularly egregious. It was from the the front, the arm was tucked, player was in the act of shooting, McDavid was gliding, he didn't leap... It was a hit to the head, but I'm not even certain it was an elbow. 1
WildCard Posted February 22, 2019 Author Report Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: It also wasn't particularly egregious. It was from the the front, the arm was tucked, player was in the act of shooting, McDavid was gliding, he didn't leap... It was a hit to the head, but I'm not even certain it was an elbow. It was pretty bad. His intentions are clear
dudacek Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, WildCard said: It was pretty bad. His intentions are clear To hammer the shooter? If that was Johan Larsson or Jake McCabe throwing the check, only Islanders and Sabres fans would care.
LTS Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: To hammer the shooter? If that was Johan Larsson or Jake McCabe throwing the check, only Islanders and Sabres fans would care. Seems like it qualifies as a blind side hit.. perhaps I need to watch again?
Sabel79 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 It's interesting to see what a Rorschach test these things always are. Granted, we're looking at a few second clip from one angle and no context, but I'm with Wild: That was ugly and on purpose. I suppose reasonable people can look at it and come away with differing interpretations, but I can't see it any other way, player or teams involved having nothing to do with it.
dudacek Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, LTS said: Seems like it qualifies as a blind side hit.. perhaps I need to watch again? Serious question: Is it incumbent on the hitter to make sure the hittee knows he's coming?
Sabel79 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Serious question: Is it incumbent on the hitter to make sure the hittee knows he's coming? It's incumbent on the hitter to not make that hit (blindside, to the head). They've all been fairly extensively briefed at this point.
dudacek Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Sabel79 said: It's interesting to see what a Rorschach test these things always are. Granted, we're looking at a few second clip from one angle and no context, but I'm with Wild: That was ugly and on purpose. I suppose reasonable people can look at it and come away with differing interpretations, but I can't see it any other way, player or teams involved having nothing to do with it. Aren't all body checks by definition on purpose? I think "ugly" is what is changing. "Dirty" is starting to become synonomous with the degree of violence inflicted. Mike Peca was adored for checks like that.
dudacek Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Sabel79 said: It's incumbent on the hitter to not make that hit (blindside, to the head). They've all been fairly extensively briefed at this point. So, yes? The target has to know you are coming? That's the definition of blindside? If so, then it was dirty.
LTS Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, dudacek said: Serious question: Is it incumbent on the hitter to make sure the hittee knows he's coming? Not on blind side hits, which is why they are called blind side. It's like suggesting that a player who turns his back to the ice should expect to get blasted into the boards face first. 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Aren't all body checks by definition on purpose? I think "ugly" is what is changing. "Dirty" is starting to become synonomous with the degree of violence inflicted. Mike Peca was adored for checks like that. Like above, these are the things that have changed. Lots of things used to be legal. They aren't now. It seemed to me on the play that McDavid comes from behind the lateral axis of the player and hits him in the head.
apuszczalowski Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Aren't all body checks by definition on purpose? I think "ugly" is what is changing. "Dirty" is starting to become synonomous with the degree of violence inflicted. Mike Peca was adored for checks like that. But that was also in an era where Don Cherry would release videos of the biggest hits and fights from the season every year and the violence was accepted and cheered. We are now in an era where player safety has become a priority because theres a different understanding of what can happen from taking these kinds of hits.
shrader Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, dudacek said: It also wasn't particularly egregious. It was from the the front, the arm was tucked, player was in the act of shooting, McDavid was gliding, he didn't leap... It was a hit to the head, but I'm not even certain it was an elbow. Someday people will learn what the actual definition of an elbowing penalty is. Like you, I'm not really sure if the elbow even made contact, but even if it did, that was not an elbowing penalty. He did not lead with it or extend it. Elbowing will not be included in his hearing in any way. And on another note, doing a quick google search of NHL penalties, I ran into this gem with some picture examples. Someone please explain the last charging picture. Edited February 22, 2019 by shrader
Sabel79 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, shrader said: Someday people will learn what the actual definition of an elbowing penalty is. Like you, I'm not really sure if the elbow even made contact, but even if it did, that was not an elbowing penalty. He did not lead with it or extend it. Elbowing will not be included in his hearing in any way. And on another note, doing a quick google search of NHL penalties, I ran into this gem with some picture examples. Someone please explain the last charging picture. Kaleta's about a foot off the ice, I think.
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sabel79 said: Kaleta's about a foot off the ice, I think. I don't think that's the point.....aren't they both Sabres?
spndnchz Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: I don't think that's the point.....aren't they both Sabres? There’s a Senators in there.
Sabel79 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: I don't think that's the point.....aren't they both Sabres? I stared at it for awhile, I think there's a Carolina (or Ottawa maybe, can't tell) player between them. Edited February 22, 2019 by Sabel79 What Chz said...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, spndnchz said: There’s a Senators in there. A better look and you're right. Hard to see him in the background.
LGR4GM Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Eleven said: It's going to be a first-time offender warning.
#freejame Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Sabel79 said: Connor McDavid out here pretending he’s Radko Gudas... If that’s the dirtiest hit he’s seen all season, he hasn’t watched enough hockey...would like to see another angle, might change my mind. Certainly not “clean” though.
Brawndo Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) McDavid suspended for two games for his hit to the head Edited February 22, 2019 by Brawndo
#freejame Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Brawndo said: McDavid suspended for two games for his hit to the head Seems a bit much. Elbows down, first time offender, player following through on his shot.
Brawndo Posted February 22, 2019 Report Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, IrwinNelson said: Seems a bit much. Elbows down, first time offender, player following through on his shot. Considering Gudas also got two games for hitting Kucherov over the top of his head with his stick, I would say so 1
Taro T Posted February 23, 2019 Report Posted February 23, 2019 Hadn't realized Duchene's 1st game as a BJ comes in Otter-land. 1-0 Columbus after 1.
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