Downfall of The Buffalo News

[Weave]

Not a single professional in the bunch by the look of things. Any incentive I may have had to subscribe to either outlet is easy offset by the unprofessional activities on social media on bith sides.  Children.

[TrueBlueGED]

16 minutes ago, Weave said:

Not a single professional in the bunch by the look of things. Any incentive I may have had to subscribe to either outlet is easy offset by the unprofessional activities on social media on bith sides.  Children.

Seriously, they're behaving like they're in the bowels of Reddit. I have no problems subscribing to The Athletic though. Not going to let the behavior of two overshadow the dozen others who are producing excellent work I want to read. 

[That Aud Smell]

This campaign has been an unmitigated embarrassment for Graham and now Vogl. FFS.

I have my own strong dislike for Harrington. But what those guys are doing is a terrible look. I can’t imagine their new employer can be pleased. It certainly turns me off.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, TrueBlueGED said:

Seriously, they're behaving like they're in the bowels of Reddit. I have no problems subscribing to The Athletic though. Not going to let the behavior of two overshadow the dozen others who are producing excellent work I want to read. 

Trump voter?

Other than stakes, it’s the same thing to me.

Edited July 22, 2018 by Weave

[Eleven]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

This campaign has been an unmitigated embarrassment for Graham and now Vogl. FFS.

I have my own strong dislike for Harrington. But what those guys are doing is a terrible look. I can’t imagine their new employer can be pleased. It certainly turns me off.

And now that Harrington has been told by TBN to cut out his social media antics (or at least it sure as hell seems like it), he can't really even defend himself.

[Stoner]

10 hours ago, Doohickie said:

I have no idea what that is all about.

Me either. Unless you use Twitter a lot, it's very hard to understand any of it. Who's talking to who?

Vogl has sack now? He sure never had any when covering the Sabres as Caspar Milquetoast.

[Andrew Amerk]

On 6/21/2018 at 11:44 AM, IKnowPhysics said:

I do want to say this: I think Harrington's been doing a good job the past couple of weeks.  He's been doing the heavy lifting in the run up to the draft, and the articles he''s turned in are in thoughtful and leveraged with a familiarity of the history of the franchise.  It's not fire and brimstone or burn the house down or here comes the dear lord baby jesus.  It's been well-placed straight talk on coaching, GM workings, Rip's accomplishment, draft history, and goals for the draft beyond Dahlin.

 

Inside the NHL: Sabres' Botterill should use caution on trading Ryan O'Reilly (6/9)

 

Housley behind the Sabres' bench: The first year (6/14)

 

Inside the NHL: Sabres mainstay Simonick to get his Hall call (6/16)

 

Key to development: Sabres need to find success through NHL Draft, not just at the top (6/17)

 

Mike Harrington: Anticipation building for Sabres to be atop hockey world at NHL Draft (6/19)

 

Botterill on O'Reilly: 'The interest in Ryan is not surprising at all' (6/19)

 

From Booms to Busts: Sabres first-round history (6/20)

 

Mike Harrington: With critical rebuild ahead, five areas for Sabres to address (6/20)

I can’t read any of these, because their site claims that I have reached my maximum number of free articles for the month. 

The maximum number must be zero, because I haven’t read an article on their site in probably half of a year. 

Seems stupid that they wouldn’t at least let people on there for free to see their advertisements. No wonder everyone is losing their jobs there. 

[nfreeman]

I completely agree that these tweets reflect poorly on Vogl and Graham.

Buuuuuuuuttt...this is yet more evidence that Harrington is as big a DB in person as he appears to be on social media and at the Sabres' pressers. 

[North Buffalo]

Imo the pay for site was not a good idea and not well thought out.  The writers were not good enough and the way the product was being presented wouldnt work.  I get they sort have tried to immitate ESPN premium, but there is too much duplication from Rochester, Syracuse, the Bills own website and other NFL media along with twitter on other online free media to be effective.  Part of the reason ESPN is failing as well.  Not sure the answer or how to drive enough advertising dollars to themselves to keep it free.  But is clear the pay for model is a tough one to implement.

[Weave]

My money says that if the Bills and Sabres were winning, exciting teams the market for a pay wall would carry the rest of the news.

[TrueBlueGED]

On 7/22/2018 at 9:11 AM, Weave said:

Trump voter?

Other than stakes, it’s the same thing to me.

Needless to say, I strongly disagree. Not only in stakes, but in comparability. Do you still have the same views on gun ownership despite how some gun advocates have behaved in public? I certainly wouldn't expect you to. Supporting an organization of over 100 people despite a couple of bad apples isn't nearly the same thing as supporting an individual despite that individual's personal behavior. 

Two writers being jerks on Twitter isn't a good reason to pull support from over 100 others who have zilch to do with them. Moreover, given how lackluster I think most sports reporting is, I find supporting quality reporting to be of value--I want other news organizations to see that quality content is rewarded with paying customers. 

If I could choose to support only select writers, I would happily exclude Vogl and Graham from receiving any of my subscription money. But that's not how it works, and given the state of sports journalism writ large, I think pulling support entirely would be tantamount to cutting the nose to spite the face. 

[Weave]

To answer your question, no.

I guess we have different expectations regarding organizations that don’t demand professionalism from their members.

[TrueBlueGED]

9 minutes ago, Weave said:

To answer your question, no.

I guess we have different expectations regarding organizations that don’t demand professionalism from their members.

Not at all. I just don't think that's the only consideration when deciding to support an organization. I explained my other reasons above. 

Edit: FWIW, my analysis would be different if it was a higher up, such as Mirtle, behaving this way. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by TrueBlueGED

[spndnchz]

Graham going after Harrington on Twitter was an awesome sight. 

[Brawndo]

Travis Yost, who writes about hockey analytics for TSN and occasionally has a radio segment  on WGR with Schopp and The Bulldog is going to write pieces for the Buffalo News regarding Sabres Analytics. 

 

Here is his first article 

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/09/11/buffalo-sabres-travis-yost-jeff-skinner-jack-eichel/

It interesting to see the effect that The Athletic has had TBN’s Content in a few short months. 

 

Yost is also a Bills Fan. 

[Two or less]

That is awesome! wow.

Vogl is a favorite of mine but having the Athletic and TBH has been outstanding. I love the coverage both provide and adding Yost is pure genius for TBN.

[Eleven]

The daily price is going up to $1.50 and Sunday is going up to $3.50.  

[ubkev]

People pay $650 a year for a newspaper? Wowza!

[That Aud Smell]

8 hours ago, Brawndo said:

It interesting to see the effect that The Athletic has had TBN’s Content in a few short months. 

It is interesting.

In terms of business model, this is indicative of more slashing, though. TBN is moving to newbies and free lancers.

[Eleven]

51 minutes ago, ubkev said:

People pay $650 a year for a newspaper? Wowza!

Newsstand price.  I think the subscription price is probably lower.  I know it was when I carried it, but that was a lifetime ago. 

I wonder when we're going to see a The Athletic for local news.  It really should be only a matter of time.

[shrader]

9 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Travis Yost, who writes about hockey analytics for TSN and occasionally has a radio segment  on WGR with Schopp and The Bulldog is going to write pieces for the Buffalo News regarding Sabres Analytics. 

 

Here is his first article 

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/09/11/buffalo-sabres-travis-yost-jeff-skinner-jack-eichel/

It interesting to see the effect that The Athletic has had TBN’s Content in a few short months. 

 

Yost is also a Bills Fan. 

So are they just re-printing stuff done for TSN (AP-style) or will they actually be original pieces?

 

43 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Newsstand price.  I think the subscription price is probably lower.  I know it was when I carried it, but that was a lifetime ago. 

I wonder when we're going to see a The Athletic for local news.  It really should be only a matter of time.

I hope they come up with a better name.

[sabills]

1 hour ago, ubkev said:

People pay $650 a year for a newspaper? Wowza!

 

52 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Newsstand price.  I think the subscription price is probably lower.  I know it was when I carried it, but that was a lifetime ago. 

I wonder when we're going to see a The Athletic for local news.  It really should be only a matter of time.

Looks like a year subscription is like 20 bucks a month

[Brawndo]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

So are they just re-printing stuff done for TSN (AP-style) or will they actually be original pieces?

 

I hope they come up with a better name.

Original it appears. The column maybe called Sabre Metrics 

[Two or less]

14 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Original it appears. The column maybe called Sabre Metrics 

Yeah think you're right based on Yost's tweet announcing it.

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2018 by Briere48

[JJFIVEOH]

I enjoy The Athletic's articles much more than newspaper articles. It seems as though they aren't forced to sensationalize and write on a 3rd grade level so everybody can understand it. The articles in The Athletic offer much more substance without having to sensationalize and embellish the point.