SCOTUS Overturns federal ban on Sports Betting

[matter2003]

This is a huge and landmark ruling by the Supreme Court...ruled 6-3 that the 1992 Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, a Federal Law banning sports betting with very few exceptions, was unconstitutional in its overreach to bar states from enforcing their own sports betting laws.

 

They said Congress can make the decision if they want but the law cannot and overturned the prohibition on sports gambling...

 

Huge implications in many states that will now open up sports books(including N.Y. who is likely at the front of the line)...maybe not for the NHL specifically but for all sports in general.

[ubkev]

Yeah Buddy!

 

 

I'd post the GIF but I don't know how to from my phone.

[5th line wingnutt]

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/supreme-court-strikes-federal-ban-sports-gambling/

[Eleven]

This is a huge and landmark ruling by the Supreme Court...ruled 6-3 that the 1992 Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, a Federal Law banning sports betting with very few exceptions, was unconstitutional in its overreach to bar states from enforcing their own sports betting laws.

 

They said Congress can make the decision if they want but the law cannot and overturned the prohibition on sports gambling...

 

Huge implications in many states that will now open up sports books(including N.Y. who is likely at the front of the line)...maybe not for the NHL specifically but for all sports in general.

 

NYS is seldom at the front of any lines.  We usually wait until about 10 or 15 other states have acted.  (Or, in the case of ridesharing, 49.)  Once in a while, we do something drastic before anyone else (SAFE act comes to mind), but the norm is that we wait and see.

[ubkev]

NYS is seldom at the front of any lines. We usually wait until about 10 or 15 other states have acted. (Or, in the case of ridesharing, 49.) Once in a while, we do something drastic before anyone else (SAFE act comes to mind), but the norm is that we wait and see.

Jersey will lead the way on the east coast, obviously. Pennsylvania's casinos will put in the required applications to the state as soon as their lawyers come into work today. Then it's up to the state to workout their kickback, oops, taxes, I meant taxes. Then the sportsbooks open! Bet it takes over a year.

[Eleven]

Jersey will lead the way on the east coast, obviously. Pennsylvania's casinos will put in the required applications to the state as soon as their lawyers come into work today. Then it's up to the state to workout their kickback, oops, taxes, I meant taxes. Then the sportsbooks open! Bet it takes over a year.

 

Over a year for NYS?  Easily.  We're looking at more than three years, and possibly five, if it ever happens at all.  Remember, it's still against state law.  That has to change first.

 

Think about how slowly we moved on raising the drinking age (I'm talking about the movement pre-1984), gay marriage, medicinal marijuana, regular commercial casinos, MMA (last state in the US to allow it), ridesharing (same), etc.  

 

I would be shocked if sports gambling in NYS happened quickly.

 

EDIT:  I'll also be shocked if it's allowed at normal betting shops like they have in other countries / Nevada.  I think that if it is legalized, it will probably be a state-run OTB type of situation.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Eleven

[ubkev]

Over a year for NYS? Easily. We're looking at more than three years, and possibly five, if it ever happens at all. Remember, it's still against state law. That has to change first.

 

Think about how slowly we moved on raising the drinking age (I'm talking about the movement pre-1984), gay marriage, medicinal marijuana, regular commercial casinos, MMA (last state in the US to allow it), ridesharing (same), etc.

 

I would be shocked if sports gambling in NYS happened quickly.

I meant over a year for Jersey and PA. Jersey already has their sportsbooks ready to go, they just need to dust them off. Their state government should be on board. So it's up to the crooks in the state houses to decide when it goes live. Pennsylvania will do it as soon as the casinos can convince the state that this will generate enough revenue to make it worth the states while.

 

NYS will wait because their state casinos are doing dogsh!t for business, and the state hates the Oneida Indian Nation and won't want to let them do anything to increase their value. I bet the states hatred of the Oneidas and their compact will have impact on the rest of the Native American casinos that have friendlier compacts with the state.

 

So, yeah, you're right. NY will be waiting a long time. So drive on down to PA and I'll book your bets here! :)

[Eleven]

I meant over a year for Jersey and PA. Jersey already has their sportsbooks ready to go, they just need to dust them off. Their state government should be on board. So it's up to the crooks in the state houses to decide when it goes live. Pennsylvania will do it as soon as the casinos can convince the state that this will generate enough revenue to make it worth the states while.

 

NYS will wait because their state casinos are doing dogsh!t for business, and the state hates the Oneida Indian Nation and won't want to let them do anything to increase their value. I bet the states hatred of the Oneidas and their compact will have impact on the rest of the Native American casinos that have friendlier compacts with the state.

 

So, yeah, you're right. NY will be waiting a long time. So drive on down to PA and I'll book your bets here! :)

 

Got it.  In that case I agree.  I heard something about NJ being ready in a couple of weeks.  (Their state government is on board, of course; it is the legislation that NJ passed that led to the NCAA's lawsuit.)

Edited May 15, 2018 by Eleven

[matter2003]

NYS is seldom at the front of any lines. We usually wait until about 10 or 15 other states have acted. (Or, in the case of ridesharing, 49.) Once in a while, we do something drastic before anyone else (SAFE act comes to mind), but the norm is that we wait and see.

Except when they can make a bunch of money.

I meant over a year for Jersey and PA. Jersey already has their sportsbooks ready to go, they just need to dust them off. Their state government should be on board. So it's up to the crooks in the state houses to decide when it goes live. Pennsylvania will do it as soon as the casinos can convince the state that this will generate enough revenue to make it worth the states while.

 

NYS will wait because their state casinos are doing dogsh!t for business, and the state hates the Oneida Indian Nation and won't want to let them do anything to increase their value. I bet the states hatred of the Oneidas and their compact will have impact on the rest of the Native American casinos that have friendlier compacts with the state.

 

So, yeah, you're right. NY will be waiting a long time. So drive on down to PA and I'll book your bets here! :)

Couldnt the Native American Casinos do this without any need from the state? As far as I Know they are a sovereign land within the state

[ubkev]

Except when they can make a bunch of money.

 

Couldnt the Native American Casinos do this without any need from the state? As far as I Know they are a sovereign land within the state

All Native American casinos in NYS have a compact with NYS that states how their lands will be operated. The Oneida Indian Nation and Turning Stone Resort and Casino routinely find legal ways around the compact with NYS and it fcuking infuriates Albany!

 

In 1990, The Oneida's had a pole barn in a cornfield and they asked the state if it was cool if they ran bingo out of it without paying taxes. The state said "sure, do whatever you want." The Oneida's then built one of the most beautiful casinos in the country over the next 20 years. The state said they couldn't have a poker room, the Oneida's said "fine, we'll have a private membership establishment social club where poker games are perfectly legal under NY law." The state said the casino couldn't have a liquor licence, the Oneida's said "fine, this place is BYOB!" Then they said, "ya know what? fcuk that. Well hire a catering company that already has a liquor license to bring in our booze! how ya like them apples, NY?"

 

Now over the past 9 years the relationship has been getting a little better, with the Oneida's agreeing to pay a small sliver of their actual disclosed income in taxes. But make no mistake. The two entities hate each other.

Edited May 15, 2018 by ubkev

[LGR4GM]

I kinda appreciate the way the Oneida's have done thing, especially as you present it.  

[ubkev]

I kinda appreciate the way the Oneida's have done thing, especially as you present it.

Full disclosure. The Oneida's paid my rent for a long time. And they paid for a sizeable chunk of my education.

[shrader]

How has Vegas always been immune to these laws?  I've never actually looked around for that explanation but it has always seemed strange that one state escaped from it.  Then again, I'm not a gambler, so I never was interested enough to research it.

[matter2003]

How has Vegas always been immune to these laws? I've never actually looked around for that explanation but it has always seemed strange that one state escaped from it. Then again, I'm not a gambler, so I never was interested enough to research it.

Because they got an exemption.

[Taro T]

Over a year for NYS?  Easily.  We're looking at more than three years, and possibly five, if it ever happens at all.  Remember, it's still against state law.  That has to change first.

 

Think about how slowly we moved on raising the drinking age (I'm talking about the movement pre-1984), gay marriage, medicinal marijuana, regular commercial casinos, MMA (last state in the US to allow it), ridesharing (same), etc.  

 

I would be shocked if sports gambling in NYS happened quickly.

 

EDIT:  I'll also be shocked if it's allowed at normal betting shops like they have in other countries / Nevada.  I think that if it is legalized, it will probably be a state-run OTB type of situation.

:huh:

 

NYS went to 19 when most everybody else was still 18. We got forced to 21 due to the highway funding $'s, but were ahead of the curve on 19.

[shrader]

Because they got an exemption.

But what was the reason? It’s hard to believe that it lasted as long as it did. Then again, that state got a bunch of head scratching exemptions.

[WildCard]

People are still going to use bookies. Book it

[ubkev]

People are still going to use bookies. Book it

Of course. Bookies are a no cash up front business. You bet on the finger and pay the vig later. And you can do it over the phone! Sports books require you to actually have the cash in order to place a bet. Bookies will take a small hit but they'll still be able to feed themselves.

 

 

Oh, and bookies can set their own lines. Take it or leave it.

[Eleven]

:huh:

 

NYS went to 19 when most everybody else was still 18. We got forced to 21 due to the highway funding $'s, but were ahead of the curve on 19.

 

Nope.  LOTS of states had gone to 21 when we went to 19, and many more were already at 19 or 20 by the time we moved to 19.  In 1983 (when we moved the age to 19), only 5 or 6 states still were at 18.  

Edited May 20, 2018 by Eleven