WildCard Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Apparently Pacioretty was supposed to be traded to the Kings but it died because he refused their contract extension. He then immediately fired his agent https://athletique.com/406313/2018/06/24/apres-avoir-refuse-une-offre-des-kings-pacioretty-se-trouve-dans-un-cul-de-sac/ Quote
Carmel Corn Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Riley Nash is going to get some cash, and is a guy I’m willing to spend on. Derek Ryan, Jay Beagle - one of them becomes a necessity if we trade O’Reilly. Beagle could bring a work ethic and winning attitude to the locker room. Quote
dudacek Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) Right, but these guys are all going to be looking for term unless they're ring-chasing, a requirement that we obviously don't meet. I can’t see any of the remaining free agent wingers get the Okposo deal.Maybe JVR, but that will be tthe last of its type. Kane got his contract and Skinner will too because they are young. The trend is toward paying the guys for their prime years like we are paying Jack, not as they are leaving them. It’s the 30-year-olds who will be disappointed. Too many bad deals out there. GMs are dumb, but not over and over again. I'd say close to zero.They’ve got close to $11 million to pay Zucker and Dumba. Could get sticky, no? Well that's one of the grossest sentences I've ever read on this forum.Maybe. Grosser than “Our centre spine is Eichel Mittelstadt Larsson and O’Regan?” Edited June 25, 2018 by dudacek Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 I can’t see any of the remaining free agent wingers get the Okposo deal. Maybe JVR, but that will be tthe last of its type. Kane got his contract and Skinner will too because they are young. The trend is toward paying the guys for their prime years like we are paying Jack, not as they are leaving them. It’s the 30-year-olds who will be disappointed. Too many bad deals out there. GMs are dumb, but not over and over again. They’ve got close to $11 million to pay Zucker and Dumba. Could get sticky, no? Maybe. Grosser than “Our centre spine is Eichel Mittelstadt Larsson and O’Regan?” We'll see. Oshie got 8 last year and Neal didn't just turn down 5 years because he thinks he'll get less on the open market. Maybe he'll be disappointed...or maybe GMs really are as dumb as I think they are. Dumb is probably the wrong word; obtuse is more appropriate. But you get the point. All they really have to do is buy out Ennis or send him to a team that needs to hit the cap floor. It's a little tight, but I don't really think they're in a situation that demands moving out a valuable piece. Definitely grosser. BTW, I assume by "Larsson" you actually meant "Rodrigues." Quote
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2018 Author Report Posted June 25, 2018 Per Michael Russo Jason Zucker, Nino Niederreiter and Charle Coyle are on the block as Fenton wants to shake up the core. The caveat is that Fenton wants the team to also take Ennis as a salary dump. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Per Michael Russo Jason Zucker, Nino Niederreiter and Charle Coyle are on the block as Fenton wants to shake up the core. The caveat is that Fenton wants the team to also take Ennis as a salary dump. Sign me up! If they want a team to eat the Ennis contract, they can't possibly expect a huge return for any of them. Quote
darksabre Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Per Michael Russo Jason Zucker, Nino Niederreiter and Charle Coyle are on the block as Fenton wants to shake up the core. The caveat is that Fenton wants the team to also take Ennis as a salary dump. I'm all in on trading with Minnesota. Quote
dudacek Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Definitely grosser. BTW, I assume by "Larsson" you actually meant "Rodrigues." OK, so Nylander and Bailey or Baptiste in the top six? Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 OK, so Nylander and Bailey or Baptiste in the top six? That's pretty gross, but still not as bad as 4th liners taking O'Reilly's ice time. After all, any of that trifecta in the top-6 really just means that Pominville or Wilson aren't. It's gross, sure, but all things are relative ;) Quote
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2018 Author Report Posted June 25, 2018 What do the Sabres need to do for this type of deal But The Athletic has learned that last weekend before Max Domi was traded from the Arizona Coyotes to the Montreal Canadiens for Alex Galchenyuk, Fenton and Coyotes GM John Chayka did talk about a framework that would send Niederreiter and Zucker to Arizona for Domi and another forward believed to be center Christian Dvorak. One caveat: It’s likely that the Coyotes would have had to take Tyler Ennis, who has one more year left on his contract at a $4.6 million cap hit. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Domi and Dvorak? Would Reinhart, Nylander, and Baptiste get us Zucker and Nino (and Ennis)? Because if you want to split up the young core... Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) What do the Sabres need to do for this type of deal But The Athletic has learned that last weekend before Max Domi was traded from the Arizona Coyotes to the Montreal Canadiens for Alex Galchenyuk, Fenton and Coyotes GM John Chayka did talk about a framework that would send Niederreiter and Zucker to Arizona for Domi and another forward believed to be center Christian Dvorak. One caveat: It’s likely that the Coyotes would have had to take Tyler Ennis, who has one more year left on his contract at a $4.6 million cap hit. Reinhart and something? I really don't know what that something would be, though. Don't think we have anything other than Reinhart as the centerpiece, either. I think it could work. I'm trying to think of some low cost options to upgrade the wings, and I keep coming back to Pittsburgh. I know both Hagelin and Sheary had slid down the depth chart this season. Does Pittsburgh really want to pay them a combined $7 million? They're not world beaters, but they'd upgrade our speed on the wings and give us non-embarrassing options to pair with our top three centers, and the acquisition cost probably doesn't include Reinhart. Edited June 25, 2018 by TrueBlueGED Quote
thewookie1 Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Domi and Dvorak? Would Reinhart, Nylander, and Baptiste get us Zucker and Nino (and Ennis)? Because if you want to split up the young core... I'm not making that trade I might do Nylander and our 3rd next year for Zucker/Nino and Ennis but I'm not dealing away Reinhart Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) I'm not making that trade I might do Nylander and our 3rd next year for Zucker/Nino and Ennis but I'm not dealing away Reinhart You think they'd give up a 25/30 goal scoring winger for you taking a 1 year cap dump and a prospect that hasn't shown anything yet? Would you give up Reinhart and Pominville for Nikita Scherbak and a third? Edited June 25, 2018 by Randall Flagg Quote
thewookie1 Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) You think they'd give up a 25/30 goal scoring winger for you taking a 1 year cap dump and a prospect that hasn't shown anything yet? Would you give up Reinhart and Pominville for Nikita Scherbak and a third? No but Nylander is worth more since he's a Top 10 pick, plus trading Reinhart for another player merely spins our wheels in offense production. Essentially your deal is way to much overpayment Reinhart(22) is a 45 to 50 pt guy that's younger than Zucker(26) and Nino(25) and has better stats than both of them in terms of consistent play. Reinhart is 15-16 23g-19a 42pts in 79 games .53 pts per game 16-17 17g-30a 47pts in 79 games .59 pts per game 17-18 25g-25a 50pts in 82 games .61 pts per game .576 pts per game average Zucker is 15-16 13g-10a 23pts in 71 games .32 pts per game 16-17 22g-25a 47pts in 79 games .59 pts per game 17-18 33g-31a 64pts in 82 games .78 pts per game .563 pts per game average Nino is 15-16 20g-23a 43pts in 82 games .52 pts per game 16-17 25g-32a 57pts in 82 games .69 pts per game 17-18 18g-14a 32pts in 63 games .50 pts per game .57 pts per game average In the past 3 years Reinhart has been on average the better player all while being 3 years younger and on a terrible team HFboards, I got a guy to agree to this Nylander, McCabe and our 3rd that can become a 2nd for Zucker, Nino and Ennis Edited June 25, 2018 by dewookieen Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) No but Nylander is worth more since he's a Top 10 pick, plus trading Reinhart for another player merely spins our wheels in offense production. Essentially your deal is way to much overpayment Reinhart(22) is a 45 to 50 pt guy that's younger than Zucker(26) and Nino(25) and has better stats than both of them in terms of consistent play. Reinhart is 15-16 23g-19a 42pts in 79 games .53 pts per game 16-17 17g-30a 47pts in 79 games .59 pts per game 17-18 25g-25a 50pts in 82 games .61 pts per game .576 pts per game average Zucker is 15-16 13g-10a 23pts in 71 games .32 pts per game 16-17 22g-25a 47pts in 79 games .59 pts per game 17-18 33g-31a 64pts in 82 games .78 pts per game .563 pts per game average Nino is 15-16 20g-23a 43pts in 82 games .52 pts per game 16-17 25g-32a 57pts in 82 games .69 pts per game 17-18 18g-14a 32pts in 63 games .50 pts per game .57 pts per game average In the past 3 years Reinhart has been on average the better player all while being 3 years younger and on a terrible team HFboards, I got a guy to agree to this Nylander, McCabe and our 3rd that can become a 2nd for Zucker, Nino and Ennis Scherbak basically posted identical numbers to Nylander in his two post=draft seasons. NHL GMs aren't stupid enough to blindly look at where a player was picked over 2 years later. Those players literally have the same points per game to within a one hundredth of a point, wookie. That means that over the course of a season, there wouldn't even be a full point difference between them. Making the comparison I made completely accurate. Thanks for supplying the math that showed my comparison to show you how bad that trade was is bang on. And Zucker is now a 33 goal scorer. A random italicized trade that you got an unspecified hfboards poster (I'm not even sure what team's fan you're referring to) to agree with on value means very little to me, as shocking as that might seem Edited June 25, 2018 by Randall Flagg Quote
dudacek Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) I can’t see an offer that anyone would reasonably make that would lead me to dump Reinhart after his second half. I’ve invested this much time in him, I see it through. Domi and Glachenyuk are fair comparables, although his outproduced them both over his first three years. Zucker isnt even a comparable. At the end of his D4 season he had 4 total NHL goals. It took until his D8 season before he topped 25 points in an NHL season. He is, however, a great example of a reason why it’s not too late for Baptiste or Bailey. His first three pro seasons he played 6, 20 and 21 NHL games for a total of 8 NHL goals. Edited June 25, 2018 by dudacek Quote
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2018 Author Report Posted June 25, 2018 Per Friedman The Sabres are in on Hutton Quote
WildCard Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Per Friedman The Sabres are in on Hutton Well, can't wait to draft top 5 again Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 This was from Elliot Freedman's 30thoughts The Charging Buffalo @TheChargingBUF 3m3 minutes agoMore The Charging Buffalo Retweeted Elliotte Friedman Buffalo is in on Goalie, Carter Hutton from STL. Also mentions STL as a team circling around ROR as we have expected. They were hoping they’d get a meeting with Tavares and didn’t, looking for a C. Quote
WildCard Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 17. There looks to be a pre-July 1 price and post-July 1 price on Ryan O’Reilly. He is due a $7.5 million bonus, and that’s affecting what the Sabres can get. If Buffalo pays, it probably makes sense to keep him, except that the offers may improve. St. Louis was circling, and it’s possible that morphs into something bigger. The Blues might want Vladimir Sobotka to be part of the package, too. I could see the Sharks being a possibility if they don’t get Tavares. Also from Friedman https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-eyes-john-tavares-ufa-interview-period/ Quote
That Aud Smell Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Per Friedman The Sabres are in on Hutton Is this a bad thing? Why? Quote
darksabre Posted June 25, 2018 Report Posted June 25, 2018 Is this a bad thing? Why? Hutton sucks. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2018 Author Report Posted June 25, 2018 Winnipeg might be looking to an asset as long as the team takes Mason as well Quote
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